Do controllers really need jogwheels?

**Dups** · 06-21-2010, 05:10 PM

Right, seeing as jogs are taking bit of a battering, i will hasten to add that touch sensitive jogs are great for effects. I personally love them.

**Zac Kyoti** · 06-21-2010, 07:37 PM

I love touch sensitive jogs for FX, very expressive. But honestly the main reason I like having them is that when playing non-edm or non-gridable music, I feel really stiff and boxed in just relying on knobs, buttons and cue points. I can't get an organic flow say, playing 60's soul, unless I can rotate some wheel. I don't really know how to explain it, but that's how it is. Playing straight edm, I don't miss 'em that much.

**haze324** · 06-21-2010, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Zac Kyoti

I love touch sensitive jogs for FX, very expressive. But honestly the main reason I like having them is that when playing non-edm or non-gridable music, I feel really stiff and boxed in just relying on knobs, buttons and cue points. I can't get an organic flow say, playing 60's soul, unless I can rotate some wheel. I don't really know how to explain it, but that's how it is. Playing straight edm, I don't miss 'em that much.

+1

Mudo · 06-22-2010, 04:05 AM

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I can understand it but with Ableton Warping all could be grided and maintain flow and groove.

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**BentoSan** · 06-22-2010, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by BentoSan

For pitch bends i actually think keyboards have it right witha pitch wheel, takes up screw all space too ! Id love to see a dj style controller use them. Takes up a hell of alot less space than a jog wheel and would probably be better for the job, also more easily allowing accurate creative pitch bend techniques.

Does anyone actually like my pitch bend wheel idea out of interest ?

**BradCee** · 06-22-2010, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by BentoSan

Does anyone actually like my pitch bend wheel idea out of interest ?

you mean using the wheels to control the on screen pitch fader? yeah i use it with shift button. much better than the original faders, especially as i have range set to 100%, try doing that with faders

now use the vci pitch faders as fader start for decks c and d

**Drimachus** · 06-22-2010, 08:54 AM

i'm diggin the idea of a "jog strip", like the attigo. you could add x/y fx to scratch.

Stanton SCLVT, Linear Vertical Touch, ?

**pilmat** · 06-22-2010, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Drimachus

i'm diggin the idea of a "jog strip", like the attigo. you could add x/y fx to scratch.

Stanton SCLVT, Linear Vertical Touch, ?

Sonorosaurus Rex on the iPad has a tempo bend "strip" and it is horrible in my opinion. I can never get the beats to match...

This seems to be a common complaint of touch strips, from my research. Even virtual knobs on touch screens are cruddy for fine tuning (but great for big chunk changes). I feel that it comes down to the size of the control relative to the difference in change for a given input, i.e large platters are nice for fine adjustments. Or small knobs for REALLY fine adjustment if the total range of adjustment is suitably small.

Phil.

**jfd6812** · 06-22-2010, 12:44 PM

As someone who was initiated into djing with dual cd players with jog wheels, and then vinyl, I will probably always look for some sort of platter or jog wheel. Using a VCI-100SE, my use of the jog wheel expands beyond cueing up tracks and into control of effects; thus, the boundaries, to me, at least, are expanding, not closing up. Plus, I still think the crowd likes to see their dj playing with "wheels" during the night...it reassures them that we are, as they know it, djing.