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    Hi everybody, I have a noob question.

    When you raise the pitch of a song. You also change the tone.
    Lets say my song is 12a (D-flat Minor). If I raise the pitch of 3%, how much did I changed the tone. Is there a way to find it?

    Thanks everybody.

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    I would like to know that answer to this question as well. although I can answer part of it, you can figure it out in your head, but within traktor, when you raise a song which is in X key, and you raise the pitch slider a certain percentage, traktor will not show the change in key, that you have to figure out on your own, how you figure it out, I have not idea/forgot
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    Well the first clue is that it depends on the track's BPM. +/- 3% pitch on a 120 BPM track won't be the same as a 140 BPM track. Though the scale should be linear and somewhat easy to chart on a graph. Nonetheless doesn't keylock do this for you?

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    well, make a copy of the original song, put it in Traktor, turn off key lock and bump the pitch up 3%, record the track in Traktor, and analyze both the original file and the Traktor version in Mixed In Key - see what it says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by space monkey View Post
    Well the first clue is that it depends on the track's BPM. +/- 3% pitch on a 120 BPM track won't be the same as a 140 BPM track. Though the scale should be linear and somewhat easy to chart on a graph. Nonetheless doesn't keylock do this for you?
    The keylock sound really bad, it removes the essence of the song for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmauve View Post
    well, make a copy of the original song, put it in Traktor, turn off key lock and bump the pitch up 3%, record the track in Traktor, and analyze both the original file and the Traktor version in Mixed In Key - see what it says.
    Nice Idea.

    How do you guys mix harmonically? With keylock?
    Even if you take two song with the same tone. When you change the pitch you change the tone so I dont really understand how to mix harmonically .

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    I use keylock set to HiQ inpreferences.
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    That's not what Keylock does.

    All it does ..is make the track's pitch stay the same regardless of the temp.

    So it removes the Mickey Mouse effect when you seriously up the tempo.

    It does not keep all the tracks you playing in the same key....IE...make 2 tracks be on the same key.

    You still have to choose trax that are say both 7A....then use keylock....then it does not matter how much you change the tempo to get them beatmatched...as they will be keylocked at 7A. Their pitch won't change....so you won't have to do this calculation.

    Well...thats how i understand it anyways!

    I would still like to know whether a 7A track will still be 7A after its been upped in tempo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarasin View Post
    That's not what Keylock does.

    All it does ..is make the track's pitch stay the same regardless of the temp.

    So it removes the Mickey Mouse effect when you seriously up the tempo.

    It does not keep all the tracks you playing in the same key....IE...make 2 tracks be on the same key.

    You still have to choose trax that are say both 7A....then use keylock....then it does not matter how much you change the tempo to get them beatmatched...as they will be keylocked at 7A. Their pitch won't change....so you won't have to do this calculation.

    Well...thats how i understand it anyways!

    I would still like to know whether a 7A track will still be 7A after its been upped in tempo?
    That's the answer, i've been waiting for. Thanks, now I understand.

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    If you use keylock it should. I don't use any sort of keylock as I still only mix with CD's and vinyl and find that there is too much aliasing when using it. In order to harmonically mix without keylock you either need to mix 2 tracks that are fairly close to the same speed & are in key with each other either directly or harmonically speaking. As long as they're about the same BPM then it shouldn't matter whether you're playing them faster or slower then "nominal", they should be in key/harmony with each other. Although if you have a track that's say in the key of C and mix in one that's in the key of G, in this scenario and they're both sped up or slowed down, they no longer will be "true" C or G. Make sense or did I just really confuse?
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    Yeah....that's what I mean:

    **Although if you have a track that's say in the key of C and mix in one that's in the key of G, in this scenario and they're both sped up or slowed down, they no longer will be "true" C or G.**

    So whats the answer?

    To use Keylock on your Keycoded trax so they stay in key when you DJing em?

    I mean...you will have to change their tempo at some point when DJing....either up or down.

    So we still need to know what the correct procedure is here.

    I personally have just been selecting trax that fit harmonically and then i disregard the BPM change....

    I think I am doing something wrong...

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