The "club standard" CDJ. Lack of respect for controllerists. Why?

[haze324]

It's amazing how many times this question comes up. It come's up because it's a reality, and folks try to explain exactly why CDJ's and Mixer are the preferred equipment at clubs for a number of reasons --- and still some people try to bring up the controller argument and justify their use over and over. Gents --- got it. Alot of people use controllers, you can do some really cool stuff on them, etc. but truth remains for the majority of major clubs, CDJ's and mixer are the preferred equipment.

[mdcdesign]

No need to go get the cdj2000 but why not use them if they are already in the booth at the club you play?

Because they're shit in comparison to a controller? Even the cheapest all-in-one MIDI controller will give you control over FX, hotcues, loops/beatjumping, and selectable EQ curves... A CDJ2000 gives you what... Play/Pause and track position? It's absolutely ridiculous.

A CDJ is basically a REALLY shit version of Traktor hooked up to a CD player. They were fine when they were your only alternative to turntables, but in this day and age there's really no excuse to use them.

[Jeff Scott]

So your basically saying all clubs should get rid of cdjs and everyone should either get a controller or learn to use the controller the club has installed?

[loverocket]

So your basically saying all clubs should get rid of cdjs and everyone should either get a controller or learn to use the controller the club has installed?

No. But clubs should be more receptive towards artists bringing in their preferred equipment.

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[joemanton]

Porter Robinson and Dubfire both play with an S4. They actually carry their S4 around with them.

[Jeff Scott]

Yep Porter Robinson does I was in charge of lights and sound at the Digital Newcastle gig he done last year, Digitals booth however is huge and can accommodate 2 x 4cdj plus mixer setups

[octostout]

The ignorance coming from inexperienced DJs in this thread is horrendous.

You people are actually calling CDJ2000's inferior to an S4, because they don't have cheap little pots to control your Traktor effects? Have you ever touched one? The CDJ2000 is literally the highest-quality piece of DJ equipment ever mass produced, and the S4 famously has among the worst build quality, even for an all-in-one controller. The CD2000 isn't MEANT to control traktor effects, it's meant to be a deck controller.

You're all addressing it like we're saying you should show up with CDs/thumbdrives and play on just the 2000's... No, you wankers, we're saying you should plug them into traktor as HID controllers, and bring supplemental controllers to do the things that the 2000's aren't designed to do. If you want knobs for FX control, bring a small controller with knobs, if you want cue points, bring a midi fighter, if you want a third and fourth track deck, bring Reloop Contours/ CMD PL-1's. This way you don't have reinvent the wheel, and bring in a cheap duplicate of the gear already there, just so you can use the secondary features built into it. You can easily replicate anything the S4 can do with a standard setup, and a couple of better-fitting, cheaper, higher-quality, and less intrusive controllers like Midi Fighters, Xone K2's, Behringer CMD controllers, Reloop contours, all of the korg micro controllers, etc. etc. etc.



Stop assuming that we're old traditional DJs just mixing tracks, and you're the next wave of DJ prodigies doing amazing tricks only possible with controllers... We're doing the same thing, we're just being smarter about it. We're doing exactly the same things (cue point juggling, FX combinations, sync tricks, etc.) also with controllers, we're just incorporating the gear that's already set up for our standard deck controls and mixer, because it makes more logistical sense.

[haze324]

Dubfire both play with an S4. They actually carry their S4 around with them.

I thought Dubfire just did the initial commerical for the S4 before it came out. When he played at Mansion Miami last year he was on a Xone DB:4, X1, F1 and Maschine. He switched from THAT to an S4 recently?

photo of mansion:
http://www.mansionmiami.com/dev/phot...id=55&image=19

[joemanton]

I thought Dubfire just did the initial commerical for the S4 before it came out. When he played at Mansion Miami last year he was on a Xone DB:4, X1, F1 and Maschine. He switched from THAT to an S4 recently?

photo of mansion:
http://www.mansionmiami.com/dev/phot...id=55&image=19

This was a year or two ago. Maybe he has switched to other gear since then.

[Jeff Scott]

The ignorance coming from inexperienced DJs in this thread is horrendous.

You people are actually calling CDJ2000's inferior to an S4, because they don't have cheap little pots to control your Traktor effects? Have you ever touched one? The CDJ2000 is literally the highest-quality piece of DJ equipment ever mass produced, and the S4 famously has atrocious build quality. The CD2000 isn't MEANT to control traktor effects, it's meant to be a deck controller.

You're all addressing it like we're saying you should show up with CDs/thumbdrives and play on just the 2000's... No, you wankers, we're saying you should plug them into traktor as HID controllers, and bring supplemental controllers to do the things that the 2000's aren't designed to do. If you want knobs for FX control, bring a small controller with knobs, if you want cue points, bring a midi fighter, if you want a third and fourth track deck, bring Reloop Contours/ CMD PL-1's. This way you don't have reinvent the wheel, and bring in a cheap duplicate of the gear already there, in order maintain control over traktor-specific things like FX.

Stop assuming that we're old traditional DJs just mixing tracks, and you're the next wave of DJ prodigies doing amazing tricks only possible with controllers... We're doing the same thing, we're just being smarter about it. We're doing exactlythe same things (cue point juggling, FX combinations, sync tricks, etc. )also with controllers, we're just incorporating the gear that's already set up for our standard deck controls and mixer, because it makes more logistical sense.

A lot of valid points!