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    Glad you agree! From what I've read, Buttrich is a shy person and a hell of a producer/writer. He just likes to help people out and isn't much of a forefront person, unfortunately. His livesets are so good... I even know for certain that he's the big boss and braind of Desolat, instead of Loco Dice, the latter just receiving the fame and saying he's the label boss etc. bla bla bla.

    Dubfire uses an engineer too, but I'm pretty certain he writes those tracks, just like Richie Hawtin/Plastikman did 20 years ago. Those guys are just unbelievable, too bad the music they nowadays 'spin' sucks. Deep Dish was the shit! Just like those acid tracks from Richie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceBlaise View Post
    Pretty much a bunch of bullshit, the guys/gals who use "engineers". Its a fucking ghost writer pretty much. There are us guys who spend countless hours creating music from the ground up, and there are assclowns who (maybe) sit next to a real producer and just look pretty while the "Engineer" actually writes the track. This is bullshit and not ok. I know plenty of guys who do this, infact I have frends and colleagues who do this, but it is not ok!!
    No, it's not ghost writing. People use engineers to put across their ideas, engineers purely just carry out the process.

    Look at Goldie, for instance. He is credited to making the best drum & bass album of all time. He had an engineer with him all the time, but it's all HIS ideas.

    If you're thinking an engineer just produces a track with little to no input from the original producer then you're very delusional.
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    No. Anyone who puts their name on a piece of work created by someone else, especially to help gain fame and income, is a fake. Gaining help and instruction from your peers and collaboration giving credit where credit is due is perfectly fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellnegative View Post
    No. Anyone who puts their name on a piece of work created by someone else, especially to help gain fame and income, is a fake. Gaining help and instruction from your peers and collaboration giving credit where credit is due is perfectly fine.
    What's an engineer without an idea?
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    Yes but Rob Playford is also credited on pretty much album he has ever engineered.
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    Both in the written by and engineered by sections.
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    That's not even a valid argument. Rob Playford produced his own tracks as well. There's a reason Goldie is known for such great tunes, and that's his ideas. You can know the ins and outs of every music production suite/SSL desk, but if you haven't got the imagination to express the idea, you may as well give up (or be an engineer!).

    http://www.discogs.com/Goldie-Timeless/release/2399 Rob is mentioned about 3 times there.
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    Some of you don't realize that professional music production is largely a team effort. Watch a video of any famous producer in the studio - they most likely are not sitting there alone.

    There are lots of different people working behind the scenes of any track to make it happen. By default, any pro studio is going to have at least a tracking engineer there to accompany an artist and help them do what they need to do with the studio's equipment (record, set up mics, hook up gear, whatever) since it's not likely that the artist knows exactly how to work everything in the studio.

    So where do you draw the line? Is setting up a synth for the artist to play on and quantizing his notes "cheating?" Is telling the artist "yeah that sounds good, keep that synth line!" or "here why don't you try using this mic to get a better sound" cheating? Is that being "fake?" How much creative input does someone put into the song before they get credited for writing it? Where do you draw the line? You can't. You don't know what goes on at those studio sessions.

    Also, it is 100% standard procedure to send each track of a song off to a mix engineer to do the mixing. He can make some creative changes to the song too. From there, the mixed tracks get sent to a mastering engineer who dials in the final tone and dynamics of the song. So you've got those people working on the track as well.

    Bottom line is that nobody produces professional music entirely by themselves, there are LOTS of other people that work on any given song apart from the artist. Trying to look at who's doing what under a microscope and determining the legitimacy of the artist from that is ridiculous.
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    I believe that the artist sitting back and watching someone else do the work for them while they throw ideas at them is cheating. Why be lazy. When you have that person there why not jump in, have them show you how to make that sound, operate that equipment, etc. If you dont understand theory, phrasing, and structure then learn.
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