The Official Pioneer PLX-1000 Thread.

[makar1]

Which products did Pioneer dumb down to make the SX, SZ, and Nexus CDJs? Or the RMX 500/1000?

[LoopCat]

Meh. It's probably just me, but the more worshiped something becomes, the more skeptical I become.

In my eyes, Pioneer are more pioneers of branding and marketing than of innovation and product development.
They take original ideas, file the edge off, dumb them down and market them well.

I respect their strategic department, but not their products.

They seem to introduce features on their products in accordance with what is popular in "the clubs" rather than what will inspire better music and DJing.
It wouldn't surprise me if this new turntable had a built in airhorn and a drop button.

They might not make the most innovative technologies and their products are a bit overpriced imo, but in terms of build quality and reliability they do a pretty good job with their top of the line stuff and lead the market in CDJ technology because of this.

Another thing about Pioneer, is they know how to build nice looking desirable gear, which might seem trivial but is very important to allot of people. I'm not sure on the history of all the CDJ/mixer features and who brought out what first but I would bet they introduced allot of them.

The thing that annoys myself and allot of people about brands like Native Instruments is that they seem to go for lower cost with innovative ideas which results in an amazing product on paper but in the real world they have annoy shortfalls in build quality, reliability and in the overall practicality of the product.
For this reason I'm jumping ship to Rane/Serato SL4, they might not have all the mind blowing software features but they have great build quality, strong output, solid software and practical features like dual usb which I really can't believe NI hasn't added to their sound cards (controllers,standalone and mixer).

[SlayForMoney]

Another thing about Pioneer, is they know how to build nice looking desirable gear, which might seem trivial but is very important to allot of people. I'm not sure on the history of all the CDJ/mixer features and who brought out what first but I would bet they introduced allot of them.

layout isn't trivial. things that "look" nice are nice because things are usually laid in a logical, ergonomical way. of course, Pio (over)charges even for that, let alone features.

The thing that annoys myself and allot of people about brands like Native Instruments is that they seem to go for lower cost with innovative ideas which results in an amazing product on paper but in the real world they have annoy shortfalls in build quality, reliability and in the overall practicality of the product.
For this reason I'm jumping ship to Rane/Serato SL4, they might not have all the mind blowing software features but they have great build quality, strong output, solid software and practical features like dual usb which I really can't believe NI hasn't added to their sound cards (controllers,standalone and mixer).

ditto

[JohnnyDrama]

Some toughts on a possible Pioneer TT....

I'm shure that they are capable of building a decent turntable but it will not trump the SL1200 in any way....
Special tooling is very expensive and there are fysical boundaries (wow, flutter) in designing a TT.
The SL1200 is as good as a DJ TT can be made...

Besides that Technics sold more then 3 million of the 1200's and had a legacy in hifi when the SL1200 MKII was born.
That means that they were able to write of R&D + tooling and make a nice profit.
I don't believe in a vinyl resurrection and don't think Pioneer will never be able to sell those numbers.

So don't count a new design but more like the current OEM tables with pioneer gizmo's...then:

Most of the current dj's won't care because they don't use TT's anymore or never have....
The old school veterans will still prefer the SL1200...
The real fanboys will buy anything with a Pioneer label (industry standard and all )

I still think that the current SL1200 & OEM's tables suit most of the users so it will not be a monster seller, still there will be a market.

The bad thing will be that current SL's at venues will be replaced with the pioneers, since most are already broken or need maintenance. Parts will become harder to get / more expensive so they prefer to buy new tables. Especially when it has the Pioneer label (like rest of the booth), THAT was the big problem of the current OEM's... no owner wants to invest in american audio/stanton/citronic/synq/reloop/... but they trust Pioneer.

I'm shure that pioneer is looking to create a one size fits all package for club owners, thats ok for the dj booth because they don't have much competition (rane, denon, A&H, native instruments, ?)

But if you are looking at the other 'groups' like speakers, amplifiers, soundprocessing, ... they are a dwarf in a world of giants... So i'm not to worried to see an all Pioneer club anytime soon...

[synthet1c]

technics will never run out of parts, If you can't get original parts someone will take the opportunity to make them.

[safefire]

I've opened up both Rane and Pio gear. Rane stuff (especially older models) are built like tanks.
DJM mixers and solid enough, but CDJs are still mostly just plastic polished up to look good.

[makar1]

CD players from other manufacturers are all plastic too aren't they? Which components do you think would benefit significantly from being metal?

[oddworld_audio]

Pioneer were the first to bring decent effects to a mixer (djm500) around 15 years ago, before that all other builtin effects were garbage. I've just given mine to a friend this weekend, it's works as it did 15 years ago. The layout was right, the effects were right.

Not sure what they will bring with TT's. Not gonna give up my 21 year old 1210's but I'm interested none the less.

[enorjy]

while looking thru the internets, I stumbled on this numark cdj/cinyl thing

http://www.adsinusa.com/adphotos.htm?id=3732k1415

http://www.numark.com/product/cdx

would not surprised if this is what pioneer thing might look like

[ReggieUK]

I could see pioneer going to town a bit on these units, digital control has come a long way in 15years, so I see a decent hook between the digital and analog world that fits seamlessly into any of their current mixer setups, perhaps even some midi/hid control for those that want to venture into digital software.