SSD Endurance

[Jester]

Even better

[mostapha]

You have nowhere near enough data to make that claim. Youre basing those chances on literally nothing.

I know what you are getting at, but hard drives need to be assessed in the thousands if you want to make claims about failure rates. The fact that a hard drive of any make and model can fail at any time means you have to have a large sample size.

No, I'm basing it on assuming that drive longevity, failures, and performance are normally distributed.

If the true average was the two to three years of normal use, even making very generous assumptions about what "normal use" means (say 5TB/year), that a lot of fear mongers claim, the fact that one exists that can do that much better means that for any even halfway reasonable estimate of standard deviation (e.g., twice the average, which is mathematically impossible), it's a lot more likely that the fear mongers are wrong than that the drives they're testing are that exceptional.

You can draw broad conclusions based off small samples, and the broad conclusion this implies is that most of the fear mongering about SSDs is just plain wrong.

[the_bastet]

That wont prove anything except which one smashes better. Any hard drive can fail at any time.

THe argument is no moving parts vs. moving parts. Ive gone through about 6 hard drives in an 8 year period due to just throwing laptops around at gigs. Since switching to solid state two years ago..... no issues.

For my desktop I have a 500GB standard and a tb solid state. The standard is about 6 years old and still runs like new.

[ImNoDJ]

No, I'm basing it on assuming that drive longevity, failures, and performance are normally distributed.

If the true average was the two to three years of normal use, even making very generous assumptions about what "normal use" means (say 5TB/year), that a lot of fear mongers claim, the fact that one exists that can do that much better means that for any even halfway reasonable estimate of standard deviation (e.g., twice the average, which is mathematically impossible), it's a lot more likely that the fear mongers are wrong than that the drives they're testing are that exceptional.

You can draw broad conclusions based off small samples, and the broad conclusion this implies is that most of the fear mongering about SSDs is just plain wrong.

As always I find your thoughts interesting, but this is all just your opinion to be honest.

If you would like to draw that conclusion, then its up to you, but its not something Id base a large scale purchasing decision on.

[ImNoDJ]

THe argument is no moving parts vs. moving parts. Ive gone through about 6 hard drives in an 8 year period due to just throwing laptops around at gigs. Since switching to solid state two years ago..... no issues.

For my desktop I have a 500GB standard and a tb solid state. The standard is about 6 years old and still runs like new.

You cant draw any conclusion from 6 hard drives. Its meaningless in a statistical sense. Thats superstition, not evidence.

[mostapha]

As always I find your thoughts interesting, but this is all just your opinion to be honest.

If you would like to draw that conclusion, then its up to you, but its not something Id base a large scale purchasing decision on.

You're probably right. But, we're not talking about large scale purchasing decisions. We're talking about individuals on a DJ forum. Apart form you, I probably own as many or more drives than 90% of DJTT users.

And, yes, it's my opinion. And theirs. And all it does is show that manufacturer's claims of repeated write performance are conservative. Since those claims are a) as good or better than those for hard drives and b) more than any normal person would need....the remaining "SSDs will eventually die because you can't write to them forever" BS that I see occasionally on here and all over the place elsewhere are fairly conclusively bunk.

[mostapha]

As always I find your thoughts interesting, but this is all just your opinion to be honest.

If you would like to draw that conclusion, then its up to you, but its not something Id base a large scale purchasing decision on.

You're probably right. But, we're not talking about large scale purchasing decisions. We're talking about individuals on a DJ forum. Apart form you, I probably own as many or more drives than 90% of DJTT users.

And, yes, it's my opinion. And theirs. And all it does is show that manufacturer's claims of repeated write performance are conservative. Since those claims are a) as good or better than those for hard drives and b) more than any normal person would need....the remaining "SSDs will eventually die because you can't write to them forever" BS that I see occasionally on here and all over the place elsewhere are fairly conclusively bunk.

[Nicky H]

I've had mine in about 5 years and I keep expecting it to fall to bits, but so far so good

[Patch]

A little bit of hard drive/solid-state drive/general data loss anxiety is a good thing.

Everybody backed up this week? (I haven't yet...)

[DeanOakley]

A little bit of hard drive/solid-state drive/general data loss anxiety is a good thing.

Everybody backed up this week? (I haven't yet...)

Can't remember the last time I did actually. Need to get my sh*t in order.