Upgrade time: sc5000 or 2000nx2? - Page 2
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 21
  1. #11
    Tech Mentor
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Derby, UK
    Posts
    287

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RMJ View Post
    1x SC5000 will give you 2 decks, which could be a consideration depending on space in your home setup.
    I've brought one with the intention of doing exactly that. To be honest, using one with the dual layer feature is a bit of a nightmare. You really have to be on the ball, otherwise you end up stopping the wrong deck.

    I also find the overviews at the bottom of the display slightly confusing. These switch so the the lower slightly larger waveform is the currently selected deck. .....i'd rather this was Always deck A above & deck B below.

    I'd like a pair, but not sure I can afford a second one. So i suspect I may end up selling the one I have.
    Cheers

    IAN WILLIAMS

  2. #12
    Tech Wizard
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Location
    London UK / Spain
    Posts
    37

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thisisian View Post
    I've brought one with the intention of doing exactly that. To be honest, using one with the dual layer feature is a bit of a nightmare. You really have to be on the ball, otherwise you end up stopping the wrong deck.

    I also find the overviews at the bottom of the display slightly confusing. These switch so the the lower slightly larger waveform is the currently selected deck. .....i'd rather this was Always deck A above & deck B below.

    I'd like a pair, but not sure I can afford a second one. So i suspect I may end up selling the one I have.
    Maybe someone knows a way to put the waveforms as you want or perhaps you can write in the Denon forums and others may support it, which could lead to changes in firmware.. or maybe there's an option to do it already.

    I've never used one, but what would sound good is having both waveforms 1 above the other, and the active deck has a bigger waveform and the other one perhaps dimmed, if that makes sense? I guess you know how it already works I've only looked at reviews a while back.
    YouTube Facebook MixCloud SoundCloud Resident Advisor Twitter

    Equipment: Traktor S8, Traktor X1 (v1), NI Audio 6 plus timecode vinyl, Allen & Heath K2, Technics SL-1200 M5G, Pioneer CDJ2000, Novation Launchpad (v1), Korg Kaoss Pad KP3, Alessis DM5, m-Audio Ozone midi keyboard, USB electric guitar.

  3. #13
    Tech Mentor Stazbumpa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Blighty
    Posts
    206

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RMJ View Post
    I've never used one, but what would sound good is having both waveforms 1 above the other, and the active deck has a bigger waveform and the other one perhaps dimmed, if that makes sense? I guess you know how it already works I've only looked at reviews a while back.
    One wave for is bigger than the other one, but they do swap places. One helpful tool is changing the deck light colour, whatever colour is round the platter is the deck you're using. When the channel fader is down it's a white light instead.
    Live rig: Denon Prime (5000M's)
    Retired: Denon x1700, Denon SC3900's, Traktor, Technics SL1200's, my vinyl
    Wish list: Some Roland Aira stuff.

  4. #14
    Tech Guru mostapha's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Atlanta
    Posts
    4,748

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Stazbumpa View Post
    One wave for is bigger than the other one, but they do swap places. One helpful tool is changing the deck light colour, whatever colour is round the platter is the deck you're using. When the channel fader is down it's a white light instead.
    That's basically what I'm planning whenever I get a pair. I'd love to set the colors so they look good, but it makes a lot more sense to set them to 4 obviously different colors and put stickers on my mixer that match them....so I can glance at the mixer and know which decks/layers are okay to stop. I'm pretty sure there's an automatic way to do the same thing with a Prime mixer, but I'd rather keep my 2016.

  5. #15
    Tech Mentor Stazbumpa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Blighty
    Posts
    206

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mostapha View Post
    so I can glance at the mixer and know which decks/layers are okay to stop. I'm pretty sure there's an automatic way to do the same thing with a Prime mixer, but I'd rather keep my 2016.
    There is, whatever colour you assign to a deck layer shows up above whatever channel you've plumbed it into on the Prime mixer. I'm, helpfully, colour blind (mild protanopia) so I have Red/Yellow on the left and Blue/Green on the right. I struggle to tell the difference between the yellow and green lights but they're channels 1 & 4 on the x1800 so I don't ever get confused. Yellow/Green on the same deck would result in chaos during a mix
    Live rig: Denon Prime (5000M's)
    Retired: Denon x1700, Denon SC3900's, Traktor, Technics SL1200's, my vinyl
    Wish list: Some Roland Aira stuff.

  6. #16
    Tech Wizard
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Location
    London UK / Spain
    Posts
    37

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Stazbumpa View Post
    There is, whatever colour you assign to a deck layer shows up above whatever channel you've plumbed it into on the Prime mixer. I'm, helpfully, colour blind (mild protanopia) so I have Red/Yellow on the left and Blue/Green on the right. I struggle to tell the difference between the yellow and green lights but they're channels 1 & 4 on the x1800 so I don't ever get confused. Yellow/Green on the same deck would result in chaos during a mix
    Nice! I had a flatmate who was colour blind and he explained to me how it worked, up til that point I naively thought that everything was black and white and shades of grey.
    YouTube Facebook MixCloud SoundCloud Resident Advisor Twitter

    Equipment: Traktor S8, Traktor X1 (v1), NI Audio 6 plus timecode vinyl, Allen & Heath K2, Technics SL-1200 M5G, Pioneer CDJ2000, Novation Launchpad (v1), Korg Kaoss Pad KP3, Alessis DM5, m-Audio Ozone midi keyboard, USB electric guitar.

  7. #17
    Tech Mentor
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    105

    Default

    I think making the long-term investment of the Pioneer Nexus series is a very solid move for a DJ. It gives you the ability to practice on exactly what you'll see at the club and have a high-quality home DJ setup... these are the players that are used WORLDWIDE. Denon is dope (and in some ways, better than Pioneer) but there's no doubt Pioneer DJ holds it value across years of use and that's also something to be considered. I currently have one CDJ-2000NXS2, XDJ-1000, XDJ-1000mk2. I am currently paying off the CDJ-2000NXS2 player and will upgrade the rest of the system as time goes on.
    Jackal Jyve // New York City // @JackalJyve // www.JackalJyve.com

  8. #18
    Tech Guru SlayForMoney's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    EU
    Posts
    1,695

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JackalJyve View Post
    It gives you the ability to practice on exactly what you'll see at the club
    My gosh, I wonder how my entire generation of DJ's that practiced at home on shitty non-pioneer players managed to use those complicated Pioneer decks at clubs....

    This advice is bad in so many ways. Worthy of a thread of it's own to discuss properly.
    Denon X600 - 2x Denon SC-2000 - AKG K181DJ - NI Audio 2

  9. #19
    Tech Mentor
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Dayton, Ohio, USA
    Posts
    254

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SlayForMoney View Post
    My gosh, I wonder how my entire generation of DJ's that practiced at home on shitty non-pioneer players managed to use those complicated Pioneer decks at clubs....

    This advice is bad in so many ways. Worthy of a thread of it's own to discuss properly.
    If all you'd ever mixed on was vinyl and/or non-Pioneer media players or controllers, I can see jumping on Pioneers with their poor pitch resolution past 16% range, the clunky, unintuitive, and not-analog-like jog bend deadzone, and also lacking features of controller & computer or Denon Prime all being limitations they'd want to become accustomed to.

    There's also those DJs who started with cheats & training wheels and are reliant on BPM counters, moving waveforums, pre-analysis, gridding, and saved cues & loops. Those newbs will probably want to gravitate to the industry standard pre-analysis if they're going to try and somehow pose their way into DJ booths, otherwise it's currently just more variables to worry about and more work for them that they can already barely manage. A lot of them don't even use headphones much, and for some it's just a fashion accessory.

    The ability to do rentals is easier with Pioneer in the short-term before Denon gets more marketshare. Eventually people will probably just buy Denon instead of spending their money repeatedly on renting seemingly-overpriced Pioneer gear, though. I know people have riders to fill, but that’s also why I think the Change Your Rider slogan was a mistake on Prime. It should be Lose The Rider or Free The Rider or something like that. You want the DJ equipment to be off the rider and equipment installed that anyone worth booking can use.

    As Denon DJ works out all their bugs, adds even more features & changes, the newbs gain experience, and awareness flows, I think things will change. Well, probably not actually the riders or the slogans at this rate, but I think purchase patterns for both private peeps and eventually clubs will. I anticipate you'll see movement in a month or two on the former and 6 months or a year to some measurable degree on the latter.
    Last edited by Reticuli; 04-29-2019 at 12:06 PM.
    End the reign of the House of Saud.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2012/...robert-zubrin/

  10. #20
    Tech Mentor pacific808's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Hilo, HI
    Posts
    110

    Default

    *Full disclosure I have a pair of CDJ-2000NXS2 units and a DJM-900NXS2 and have been using them for 2 years now so I might be a bit of a pioneer fanboy I guess*

    I have been in the rekordbox realm for about 4 years now so I understand the concern for jumping ship to a new platform. Now that being said I took a trip to Vegas a couple months ago for a DJ conference and was excited to see and feel a full Denon setup. On the opening day of the show room I was able to jump behind the Denon display table which had a X1800 mixer, SC5000 on the left, and SC5000M on the right. I didn't even notice the two different players at first. After asking one of the reps if I could load in my SD card I was able to get it loaded into the SC5000M and I saw a notification saying it was detected.

    Now right then I thought I was going to be able to get up and running in under a minute as I have seen some youtube reviews and a few people(whom I won't name drop) claimed the interface was natural and intuitive. I will admit I think the gesture controls are a nice feature but after about 5 minutes I felt like a complete idiot because I couldn't figure out how to load a track and the only rep there was jamming away on the MCX8000 and answering questions from curious conference goers. I really should have read up on the menu navigation.

    Now my take on the units is that they work very much like the Pioneer units. Features I think are handy are definitely the dual layer players. The thought of playing on one player takes me back to the days of me jamming the club with a single turntable in Serato. I also think Denon has the edge when it comes to hot cue buttons. I find the layout a bit odd but the fact they fit 8 hot cue buttons on a player is pretty sweet. Also they have a slicer function(really wish pioneer had this even thought I never really learned how to use it)! The one thing I absolutely want Pioneer to add on their next revision is the uninterruptible power supply!

    Other than that I wish I knew more about the user interface before I got to touch the units. Now would I suggest someone to jump from Pioneer to Denon? Probably not unless they really got to demo the units. If someone was new to DJ'ing and was looking for a killer single manufacturer setup would I tell them to get SC5000's and XM1800? Not before deciding on whether they want to mix on the X1800 vs the DJM-900nxs(that is a whole different argument there). But if I had someone who grew up on Denon gear and enjoyed their experiences then yes I would tell them the Denon units are probably the best choice for them.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •