Ableton/Serato…2010!
Looks like the partnership will be unveiled at NAMM January 14th.
I’m stoked!!! At first glance I thought I would not convert to Serato. Since the first anouncment and trying to get better linking between Traktor and Ableton, I will be very excited to see whats in store with this deal.
If there is super sync funtionality, and hopfully the ability to scratch Ableton Clips, me and Traktor will be breaking up for good!
Hell yes. I can’t wait.
The only thing i think is interesting about this deal is the ability to use Serato Timecode, everything else is kind of a joke. Serato needs Ableton waaaaaaay more than Ableton needs Serato.
Max4Live is something that is going to be much nicer to look forward towards i think. There is still a hell of a lot that remains to be seen with these announcements though - as always time will tell !
Im a bit confused really.
I mean i get Serato. Thats all nice and that.
I get Ableton , thats a different kinda program for Djing.
Im not convinced that people would want to ‘scratch ableton clips’ would they. Isnt the point of Ableton to break things apart and make new crazy complex shit.
Most of the DJs i see use Ableton cant even mix/scratch/dj they just play, which is fine dont get me wrong i couldnt care less how someone makes music just as long as its good.
Convince me. Seriously , im not knowledgeable when it comes to Ableton.
How is this gonna work and who is this gonna be aimed at?
[i am not being a Traktor fanboi, im seriously looking for Info]
Mos Definately!
I really wish NI would make Traktor a plug and these 2 had nice sync options.
However if this partnership turns into scratching clips, or Ableton controlling the BPM on my timecode vinyls “beat grid” or whatever Serato uses, plus the ability to use any plugs directly on the deck etc, that will rock. Now adding the M4L to retrieve signals from that and alter video images and other parameters or whatever, that will be insane. Granted most Serato DJ’s I know couldn’t care less about Ableton. But some of these guys out here are going to F it up when this stuff finally gets banged out.
I was gonna add some of those points in my previous post. I’m not knocking DJ’s by this statement, I just dont know many wether they are using Ableton Traktor or Serato, that would really care or take the time to utilize the possibilities that may be in store here. HOWEVER there are guys out there doing much more than DJing and they will put a new spin on it for sure.
Personally I am just into the idea that I could consolidate, and personalize my Ableton set up in a way that made playing music more interactive and fun for me. Most people watching have no idea whats going on in my world. But I do, and thats why it would appeal to me. I wanna have as much fun with my gear as allowed.
I’m not sure who it will be aimed at, but once you see some guys who are going to be ballz out with some cool new tricks, they will turn heads. I mean sure there are a current stock of DJ’s and laptop music makers as we speak, by the millions! It’s the kids who haven’t got into highschool yet that will be splitting wigs in 2 or 3 years. The ones without jobs who stay at home and have the drive and gusto to constantly practice and innovate.
What Traktor needs is a Max4Live object and some options on the NI soundcards for better audio routing, that will give Serato/Ableton a run for their money for sure !
The problem with Ableton currently is that its a drastically different approach to Djing than the traditional approach - theres alot of traditional dj techniques (like scratching, beatjuggling) that cant be done with Ableton alone.
Then you have Serato that has a huuuuge big list of stuff you cant do that you can do in Ableton which is a drastically different approach to DJing and live performance.
What the Serato Ableton conjunction does is promise to help combine these two different approaches to live music / djing into a single performance - which is defiantly where things should be headed and to be honest i dont know why we arnt there yet.
If your using controllers though i have a strong feeling that Max 4 Live is going to allow us to do this sort of thing anyway, throw MsPinky into the mix or a Max4Live patch that decodes vinyl timecode and were going to be able to do what the Serato/Ableton collaboration promises us anyway. Hence why the Serato Ableton colab doesnt excite me anywhere remotely near as much as Max4Live does.
Maybe we will se some of that with the Reaktor 6 stuff. Seems to me Reaktor is supposed to be NI’s Max??? Maybe they will make all of thier software completely intergradeable. I’m amazed I cant use a Reaktor ens. as an effect directly inside Traktor, or Guitar Rig.
I haven’t use Mrs Pinky. I was on the site the other day wondering what I was missing. I know I can use it as a plug. But your right, M4L should make just about anything possible. There’s an ensamble in the Reaktor UL that converts a variety of Timecode for DJing. I tried it out and it didn’t work as good as I hoped, but nevertheless the possibilities are there.
BentoSans To Do List:
Will have a read up on Max4Live. I have a feeling im gonna need to know this shit.
When I first heard about Serato and Ableton I wondered if there was some kind of bad blood between NI and Ableton. I thought surely this should be happening with NI and Ableton. Kinda of strange, but what do I know anyways.
NI need their own DAW that brings all their software\plugins\hardware together + Reaktor to manipulate it all - that would be absolutely mind blowing and give Ableton/Max/Serato a serious run for their money.
NI has a huge load of absolutely wonderful tools, theres just nothing currently that ties them all together which is a huge shame 
I hope like hell they are working on something, all the pieces of the puzzle are there we just need something an environment put them together in. I wouldnt even care too much if that environment didn’t support VST’s if it was in the name of super low latency and high reliability - throwing VST’s into the mix is not that great for latency or stability to be perfectly honest, i can definitely see why Reason/Record doesn’t have support VST’s (this is the same reason Traktor doesnt support VST’s actually).
I guess thats supposed to be Kore
Anyways, they will definately need to pull something out of the hat on that one. I beleve they could but as it stands, it’s lacking the flexability I would like to have. I just really love Abelton, always have. Reaktor just makes it even better. DJing with decks is still new to me. I’ve only been at it a coule years. But I loved hip hop as a kid and always wanted to scratch my own stuff. Blah Blah Blah.
It’d be rad to see what NI comes up with to challenge all of this Ableton Serato M4L biz. Surely “Flavors” of sound cards are not the answer, (pocket size???)
Yeah my man… the Max4Live shit is an AMAZING collab, its Ableton’s answer to Reaktor… Pretty incredible and if it takes off like Reaktor’s user library does…:eek: We are in for a whole new ball game in the Ableton DJ game.
Just to give you a bit of eye candy check these…
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/producer/powered-by-kore/the-finger/?content=988
Kore is a start, it defiantly is very cool but it still doesn’t glue together djing into the mix what so ever.
I am more thinking Kore on a massive amount of steroids haha 
Me TOO!
You can map like 6 parameters in Kore??? I think thats right. WOW 6 whole parameters.
Yeah all good points here… If NI does have something brewing in their labs like a powerful DAW or a KORE on a massive amount of steroids that would be EPIC…
But I love Bento’s idea on maybe getting like Traktor/ Reaktor all in one… Like The Finger for Reaktor and TP?? in ONE!! Thats getting a little insane on the effect side of things huh??
Ableton got it right, the future of music software from a commercial standpoint is using your 1000’s of users as coders - provide them the tools to create their own crazy setups, allow them to release them publicly and reap the rewards of your massive user base making your program better for you while you rake in the $$$ for their hard work
Anyone other company not doing the same isn’t going to stand a chance competing against that.
This hybrid of commercial and open source is a VERY profitable biz setup.
Re: Ableton/Serato…2010!
I’m really quite surprised NI hasn’t made a rial DAW yet. it just seems Logical, no? 
no matter what happens with the Serato/Ableton matrimony you know once it’s released it will be only a matter of time before NI drops a bombshell. I feel the next few of years of technology are going to straight up reinvent the wheel.
also, even though I don’t use ableton or serato, I am kind of excited to see what they’ve come up with, because I’ve been trying to think of how they integrated these two seemingly opposite workflows. in order to pull it off and make some money they have to get that part just right.
Oh man, that would be amazing. a DAW that flawlessly ties together NI’s absolutely mind blowing host of samplers and soft synths, uses Kore to organize all of the sounds, and then can be used in conjunction with Traktor, possibly through the Maschine interface, using NI’s super secret new MIDI controllers… wow. The thought of it just makes me shiver in glee
I’m abit on the skeptical side of this. Look how long it took NI to get the 1.2 update out for Traktor and 1.1 still isn’t final for Maschine. There is talk of Maschine/Traktor integration, but how long will that take? Geez, Maschine doesn’t even properly work with a DAW yet.. It almost seems integration into anything else just isn’t on the Radar. Which is pretty sad seeing a product like Finger which is being marketed as real time effects. Who needs that more than Djs?