Bars per Phrase for Techno music in Preferances for TPro??

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Bars per Phrase for Techno music in Preferances for TPro??

Hi All

I see that you can select the bars per phrase in preferances in TPro.I am still new in this what does this actually means and what will it do in the setup if I select 4 bars or 17 bars???

Whats the ideal for techno???

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I think I seen this in Torq. I would say stick with 4, but I can’t be too sure. sorry.

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Its to do with sync, so traktor can match the beat correctly.
If you set it up wrong traktor wont have the bars in sync, only the beats. 99% of techno has a 4/4 time signiture so leave it on 4

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Is there a way to have the beat count off be like it was in T3 where it would count total beats, not measures? I really liked that visual.

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i think about 99% of all songs have a 4/4 time signature lol, only case i’ve seen where it was 2/4, 3/4 and others like that are when i played in band in high school. lol

if you’re looking to mix classical music, you need to change the beats/phrase

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I think D&B is like 2/3 or something like that.

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Nope dnb is still 4/4

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Why is it that you have to loop in t3 at 12 instead of 16?

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the phrases can be 3 bars instead of 4 (insert music theory)

4/4 speaks to how many beats to a measure. 3 bar phrases will be 12 beats, but still in 4/4.

And Most DnB is in 4/4, at least that I’ve heard. Sometimes, though, the tempo will be mapped weird and it’ll feel like 7/8 or something.

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So let me get this straight (because I’ve always made up my own terminology in my head haha, never knew the proper terms):

4/4 = 4 beats per measure. Has nothing to do with beats or measures per phrase?

Therefore, 3/4 would be 3 beats/measure?

How would you describe a song that has 4 beats per measure (= 4/4), but only 3 measures (i.e. 12 beats) per phrase? An example would be “Club Soda” by Thomas Bangalter.

Thanks!

As a side note, my own terminology was always (assuming 4/4):

4 beats = one measure.
8 beats = one phrase.
32 beats = one verse (or four phrases).

I always thought of music like that, because with vocals, 8 beats would usually correspond to one line (or phrase, literally) in the lyrics.

EDIT:

Why would 4/4 refer to the number of beats per measure, when the numbers are FOUR and FOUR when it’s FOUR beats for ONE measure?

I think it makes more sense for 4/4 to mean 4 beats/measure, AND 4 measures/phrase.

Really I should just Wiki this hahaha.

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alrighty, here we go.

Music is made up of notes. A few hundred years ago (realistically not that long ago) some composers decided to start designating measures into music. This, in a sense, standardized the phrasing of most songs.

Notes are measured by their length. The time signature designates how many notes are in that measure. The bottom number is the size of the notes (1 is whole note, 2 is half note, there is no three, 4 is quarter note, 8 is 8th note, 16 is 16th note, etc.) while the top number is how many of those notes are in that measure. So, 4/4 means there are 4 quarter notes per measure. 3/4 would mean 3 quarter notes. 7/8 would mean 7 8th notes.

Now the thing we all need to keep in mind is that these phrases do not refer to dance music exclusively. It has nothing to do with numbers of beats per phrase (there’s no reference for 16/16 which would make a lot more sense) because there’s no way to standardize that. Classical music and jazz is not structured anywhere like pop or dance music.

if you were to write, or read, musical notation, 4/4 makes a LOT of sense.

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Sorry for bringing it up… :stuck_out_tongue:

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hehe it’s all good.

Honestly, I think that DJs should learn this stuff. There’s not desperate need to master music theory, but I think that there is a good use for understand song structure, to make mixing that much better. There is a logic to it, after all