Beat Grids (The new Pioneer CDJ2000 / Traktor)
Just reading some info on the new Pioneer CDJ2000 and its ‘record box’ software..
I hope N.I develop something similar for Traktor!!??
“Beatgrid – Utilizing the new Quantizing feature, cue points and loops can be set perfectly on-beat. The Quantize feature ensures cue points are set accurately and automatically, correcting and syncing beats during manual looping or a real-time cueing, preventing off beat mistakes.”
Traktor has had these features this loooong before pioneer ever had it
Traktor doesn’t: “ensures cue points are set accurately and automatically, correcting and syncing beats”
Yeah , this post just appeared over at NI and i thought exactly the same thing.
I havent tried the Rekord Box but id bet my new car that it isnt as advanced as Traktor.
The point im stating here is that Traktor does not set an ‘accurate’ beatgrid automatically..
Ok thats understood. Have you used the new Pioneer ? Are the grids super accurate ?
I dont actually use Autogrid in Traktor i set my own grids and they are tighter than Supermans tights
I can’t get over the fact that people expect a piece of software to succesfully analyse every single piece of music it’s fed without being pointed in the right direction.
I’m all up for slating NI, but ffs. If you can’t see why it can’t possibly work 100% all the time then maybe you ought to listen to your tracks more.
Yep, i set my own beatgrids in Traktor too, to make sure they are just like ‘superman’s tights’.. But in this day & age of wonderful computer technology, i’m a huge supporter of computers doing the boring as fuck / zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz / donkey work for me.. I cant remember the last time i enthused over having 100 beatgrids to do..
So just to summarise.. I hope N.I do an update with something similar ; )
Thats all well and good but no-one has tested that this actually works that well.
Its rhetoric , its great Pioneer saying that the grids will be ‘perfect’ but im willing to bet that this will not be the reality.
As Jack says you cannot expect software to be 100% and i highly doubt that Pioneer have spent the same time in making the software as NI have in making Traktor.
Id say that the CDJ will no doubt be amazing but i think the software will be the weak link.
I dont see how NI can “do and update” to match something that people havent even tested yet. I understand the the summary of what your saying but id be cautious.
This Rekord Box could turn out to be dog-shit yet.
Hopefully some rich-kid will be able to tell us how it works cus i certainly wont be spending the $$$ on 2 CDJ2000s unless i win the lottery.
Why are people so hung up on having their phase sync display be bang on anyway?
It’s not difficult to bring in a cued track on beat without quantize on, as long as the bpm is accurate it’s not going to drift, what does it matter if a display on the screen isn’t perfect?
This.
For all of NI’s faults at least they are in the business of making software and always have been.
Oh, and someone off another forum I’m on has had a demo of the new Pio and managed to make it crash already.
Never be an early adopter.
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Traktor doesn’t: "ensures cue points are set accurately and automatically"
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Maybe not automatically but who choses where the Cue points are ?
ME. Not the software so in that respect Traktor will always have 100% accurate cue points.
Again i think people are being led astray by rhetoric.
Im not saying that this new Pioneer system wont be good but i am saying that people should wait and see how it compares to other software in the real world.
Press bumpf is never to be believed.
+1
just had a look at one online, and tbh the only thing that impressed me is being able to link up to 4 together and run a whole library off one usb stick plugged into one unit.
everything else just seemed too much, i get the feeling that as controllers go it won’t be fantastic at it (based on price bracket).
little bit jack of all trades…
vid i watched was here; http://www.decks.co.uk/products/cdplayers/pioneer/CDJ2000 (just in case)
this. learned this with being a mac user
i have found that since the 1.2 update that the autogrid has gotten a little bit better on their beat grids! I don’t know about the cdj 2000 but only time will tell to see how it stacks up to other beat grid software
i am sure that in NI marketing material they also claim they can set beat grid automatically. there is little reason to believe that maxvibes was able to whip up anything better for Pioneer than NI already has. chances are its actually going to be worse, since its new software. anyways as others have said, until its tested, its just marketing bable.
LOL exactly. Just the same as Traktor, the CDJ will have to try and recognise the beats and set a grid before it can do seamless loops.
And just like Traktor for some songs, mainly dance that have a very obvious beat, it’ll probably be pretty accurate and for others, like things with bands or things with real drummers that drift slightly over the course of a song, it’ll be less so.
All depends on how good the person who’s wrote their beat recognizing algorithm is, but it will be by no means “perfect” every time, guaranteed.
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Not sure what the point of the original post is here as it doesnt tell you that the beatgrids dont have to be set manually, it says cue points are corrected automatically with beatgrids. This is definitely the same as traktor if you have the SNAP function on.
I bet the whole beatgrid thing which is done in the software is pretty much the same as traktor meaning once a beatgrid is set when a sloppy dj is unable to hit loop on time it just jumps to the beat grid a la SNAP in traktor.
Apparently its made by Mixvibes. Now i havent given any Mixvibes soft a Demo so im not gonna make a judgement.
Anyone care to give us the Low-Down. Is Mixvibes good because surely they have incorporated their best efforts in their DJ software as well as the Pioneer software. That maybe a good way of discerning how good this stuff will be.