As of right now i only have a M-Audio X session pro, and 2 midi fighters for djing with traktor, and i am wanting to get a better mixer but cannot decide between the Xone:22 and the DDM4000!!!
The Xone22 has less features and only 2 channels, but Allen&Heath seems to be known for making better quality equipment.
The DDM4000 has 4 channels and a ton of built in effects! buuut is about $100 more, and im just not too sure about Behringer. I dont know how there stuff is compared to Allen&Heath.
So if someone has one of these two mixers, could you tell what you like/dont like about it? or if anyone knows anything in general about them.
Regards quality the A&H is an industry standard, behringer are known for knocking out cheap gear with tons of features at literally “throw-away when your done” prices ..
If you don’t need the midi functionality of the Behringer (its strong point) go with the A&H… built in FX on any dj mixer I would not be too concerned about
A&H = BMW
Behringer = Daewoo
If you had said you wanted a midi functions I’d be saying the Behringer as its serious bang for buck but sounds like your not interested in that side of it.
and i can’t find a review someone did when they actually took it apart but the reason i got it was bc of the features for the price.
what soundcard do you have though? and how many channels you gonna use?
bc the grey (gain) knobs dont work on the ddm in midi mode.
this doesn’t bother me tho since i use channel 2 and 3 as deck a and b.
then a gain knob for each deck assigned, and a filter and volume fader for decks c and d as sample decks.
Then on Friday, go to Guitar Center, or some store like it that will Price Match and have them match the coupon.
Then pick up the DDM4000 and you not only have a mixer, but you also have a controller that you can map and is deep with features.
I have 2 Behringer DDM4000 and I love them. No problems, issues or trouble with mine. Get into yours when you get it and check it out if you have concerns.
Behringer is working hard to become a player in the industry and repair a badly damaged reputation. You’ll love your new DDM4000.
Check out YouTube.com for vids and get your 15% off coupon before this Friday (Black Friday). You won’t regret it.
I didnt know that the DDM4000 had midi assignable buttons… that would be good. Does traktor recognize it and have its own midi assignments when its connected? or would i have to assign a lot of it myself?
Also, i have an audio 2, which is enough for a mixer. but only 2 channels? or would i need an audio 4 for 4 channels? (prolly a dumb questionslight_smile:
If i would need a different soundcard then i will prolly just end up getting the Xone:22. Which is fine with me. Because i feel like i am looking for something that would last me a long time, and have a little better sound quality.
I do feel like that i would be alright without as many features on the Xone:22, because if i want to get more features, effects n such, i can just buy more equipment haha.
Not just buttons - almost everything is assignable … yep you’ll probably need to do alot of the mapping yourself though the midi setup (on the mixer), you can assign all the various areas to midi (if you want)
It is plain ol’ midi out though so factor in a usb-midi into the cost
The audio 2 should be just fine for output of traktor decks on 2 separate mixer channels and use the cue on the mixer… if you want 4 channels you need the audio 8 I think ? … i thought the audio4 only had 2stereo ins/ 3 outs inc headphones? (someone else jump in)
Behringer gear is a bit hit n’ miss regards their QC but if it survives a month or two it’ll probably last a lifetime, anything that can go wrong will go wrong within the warranty period… it is alotta toy for that kinda cash
If you wants a lot of bells and whistles, you have to pay for it for the bells and whistles to be good (think Evo 5)
At the price point at which the Behringer is sold, it simply cannot provide quality bells and whistles. So you will find that it will not sound very good at all.
Behringers tend to break (google it)
A&H are simple mixers but they are built like tanks and their sound quality is awesome.
Having been playing out for so long, i know that initially when one starts out, the focus is on effects and other cool things but as you get older/more experienced, you will find that you use the effects to enhance your mix and nothing else. The effects will be used more sparingly and more intelligently than anything else. Your focus will become more towards getting a smooth mix and excellent programming. You will think more about your track selection and various elements of the track rather than how to make the track cool i.e. you will become more musical. More often than not, effects take away from the story that you are trying to tell.
How do i know? Well, i made the same mistakes… i bought a mixer with heaps of effects (djm 909) and when i was playing out i was messing around with the effects etc a lot. Then one day my friend james and i did a review of our old mixtapes and realised that we were both using a lot of effects which was not doing much to enhance the track except to make it cool to watch / listen etc…after a while it got irritating… both of us toned down and focused more on other things…
EVERYTHING on the ddm except for the grey gain knobs are midi assignable, and yes it includes a tsi.
but there’s also a bunch on the net.
I use mine with the audio2.
A and B go to the middle channels (2 and 3), and C and D are my sample decks so I only have a filter knob and volume fader assigned to either side (chan. 1 and 4)
that’s internal mixing though.
but I’ve found a way to assign EVERYTHING though.
I’ll admit, I dont think the Behringer can take a beating like Ean does to his gear (no offense) [he pulled a knob off the djm600 this last time in Huntington Beach, which flew away haha]
but I take care of my stuff… and Yes, I play out with it often.
Really though, all up to you. these are just our opinions and we have no idea what you’ll think once you get it.
i think you’ll be happy with either one.
just think of what you want, and will eventually NEED.
some ppl want more, and some want just enough of the features.
You are right asand but let me just put in something here…
People starting out do not know what they NEED.. they only know what they WANT… i myself was one of those guys and i really wish i had some guidance in the begining ..someone to tell me that eventually this is what you are looking at and frankly, i think this forum is an excellent avenue for that… I have seen far too many young ppl dropping 4k of their parent’s money to buy the latest and greatest, only to sell them off a few months later cos they realise that they dont have the passion/dedication/need for what they have…
The price point of the DDM is too low to offer the quality features that you are looking for… yes, they are midi assignable but the questions are
a. With the money that you spend, what would you recover if you ever sell it?
b. How long will it last?
A&H’s come up trumps on both points… (Think about how Bozak’s are still around..you would be hard pressed to find a behringer after so many years.. just to make you think).
You are more likely to want to upgrade as you move on so these things are something that you should look into…
same decision here currently have an X1, Audio 2 and VMX 200
I’d use the ddm 4000 as a pure midi mixer for traktor so sound quality is not an issue, wouldn’t use the effects at all and it’s so damn cheap for a 4 channel mixer. And I’d get some knobs, buttons and faders (crossfader) for super kbobs/faders and some effects presets…
would LOVE to be able to afford a Xone 42 + adio 8 instead but I won’t drop that much cash becasue I’m not sure if I’d use the 4 channels that well
Xone 22 has the nice filters+sound and build quality. I could get the 22 and route C&D into the same channels as A&B to get a feel for it and use C&D to drop some samlpes etc, but no EQ on those channels would be sad
there is no question that out of these two mixers, the xone:22 is the better mixer.
A&H mixers are amazing, they should be the industry standard over pioneer really.
Like me you said you had an audio 2 souncard, and your using an m-audio x-session pro, so if you fancy mixing externally you can, if you fancy mixing four tracks switch to internal and use the m-audio to act as your mixer.
The A&H is the most sensible buy out of the two, it will hold its value more than the behringer and in the long run will last you longer.
A&H is the better mixer, but i would get the ddm4000 and midi map it and not use it for an analogue mixer then just use it like your x-session as a controller with your midi fighters, ace setup imo, But if you want to mix analogue within a mixer then A&H is probably the way to go
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