" these mixers allow you to record and play any digital music file with your PC or Mac computer without the need for any special drivers"
So only one chanell? lol
Correct. One stereo channel USB audio interface.
Although the quoted comment about no midi isn’t strictly true. The NOX606 does have MIDI.
This is actually really useful for folks who want to record your mixes with decent sound quality. Recording out of the mixer’s regular outputs means you’re going from digital from analog to digital and on top of that, you’re limited to whatever quality those outputs are. And if you’re using Traktor, you can record straight to digital but there are noticeable sound quality issues there (I’m not sure why but my traktor recordings sound a bit tinny - I started noticing it when I started recording to other software).
Personally I’ve got mixed feelings about Behringer products; they’re clearly not the top of the line of what’s available, but they do a damn fine job of packing a lot of features into very affordable products. I used the DDM4k for some time and it was frustrating as hell because of some of their design decisions, but nevertheless that was a hell of a lot of mixer for the money I paid. I think these Nox-offs will be the same - if you can afford more you probably won’t bother but if you’re in this price bracket you’d be hard-pressed to find more for your money, at least in terms of raw features.
So what’s up with the NOX606? It’s been taken off many online stores (They had it with a “coming soon” notice) and Behringer hasn´t given any news on it’s availability. All of the other NOX mixer are now available but this one isn´t. Are we ever going to be able to access this mixer?
yes
The NOX606 was the last mixer to be produced in the line, but it’s starting to trickle into stores now.
It’s a shame this mixer does not have midi option.There is no way you can control 4 decks of traktor with it?
@nemonic.
I am also a happy DDM4K user and I am curious about the 606.
I can see this has a MIDI out and buttons to control MIDI clock, but what about the rest of the table ? Are the encoders etc. MIDI assignable in the same way as the DDM4K ?
Also I am interested in the FX matrix, is it true that it’s ONE FX, assignable to any channel, not like the DDM4K where there are two chainable units.
It looks like a nice unit, and it may replace my VMX300, which is covered in dust having never been used since the DDM4K arrived.
BTW, the DDM4K gets more use than my DJM800.
The 606? As I said before, it does send MIDI. But only for a small number of controls.
No, it’s not the same. The NOX606 sends MIDI out on 6 controls. The 2 obvious MIDI controls (the tempo knob and the MIDI on/off button), plus the crossfader, the 2 frequency knobs, and the tap tempo button. But no, the whole surface doesn’t send MIDI.
Right. You select the bus to get effects via a knob. With that, you can assign effects to any of the channels, or the master.
The effects are still useful, i generally have one of my effects set on Filter anyway ..
I think the controller guys are going to miss the MIDI capability, IMHO
On another note, do you know if they are ever going to update the FW on the DDM4K, saving settings like crossfader would be nice … and some updated effects would be even better … perhaps just changing the way the DDM4K’s filter works, the super-filter thats standard practically everywhere “should” be easy enough to create.
If you’re looking for complete MIDI capability, the NOX606 isn’t the mixer you should be looking at.
I would love to update more than the firmware. We’ll see…
This is my biggest problem with recent digital mixers from the DDM to the ones 5x the price. Some of them have excellent hardware and mediocre firmware; the problem is once they’re sold the companies seem to have no interest in updating them; it’s on to the next thing. The DDM would have a lot more value if Behringer would hire someone to fix little things like the way it saves settings and improve big things like the effects. But it’s the same with the Pioneers, the Denons, the Ecler – the mixer is pretty much considered finished after people purchase it and nothing is outright broken. It would be great if some of these companies would open source the firmware and there were people interested in improving it…
I understand the feeling behind your post, but what you’re asking for isn’t as easy as you make it out to be. You’re talking like it’s just a software update, and the only thing missing is the will or the personnel.
This is NOT the case.
When a product is specified, it’s typically made to sell at a specific price point. Typically manufacturers don’t over qualify their products (or at least not by much). So in most cases, it’s not possible to change the firmware at all if it alters the size. You have a VERY finite space to work in. So if a major change is needed, sometimes whole sections of code need to be rewritten - even if they work - in order to fit something else in. That takes up a lot of manpower and costs a lot of money.
It can be a lot easier to just start from scratch with a new product.
Open sourcing the firmware might also sound like a great idea, but when a company is responsible for SUPPORTING that product, it’s a nightmare. And in some cases you legally can’t deny support.
It is something the users have been asking for from the start though, I can see his point. I used to have long talks with Germany (before they sent them all off to India/China - can’t remember where they were all sent. I even had one of the very first green LED unit’s to replace my blue LED one (excellent 24 hour service BTW).
I gave my suggestions to them and they were compiling a list of software improvements to issue later (so i know something was been worked on) …
These are improvements that could give your unit a higher street value, remember how people used to instantly say Berry’s are crap, without even using one … now they have and they realise it’s quite a beast. Now to make that beast loveable … I’d even pay for the upgrade if if did two things (1) setting saving, (2) reworked filter …turn left LP, turn right HP.
I hear you on the open source thing, but I’m pretty sure flashing the firmware with your own code voids the warranty in any case so they wouldn’t have to support it per se. But you’re right they won’t want to take the risk of all those phone calls. Not sure I understand your point about the size of the firmware though - aren’t these things usually installed on standard sized chips? We certainly know it is possible to change the firmware since Behringer did it, as did Ecler, as did Denon – all of them had firmware updates for their digital mixers to fix known problems. The Denon firmware update even added a couple new effects. But that was like 2009; and they’ve said clearly they don’t plan on updating it again. It’s understandable for sure - they made their money on the product, there’s no real incentive to spend money improving it (for sure it’s not free for them) even if users are demanding it. In Behringer’s case I definitely don’t see it happening given the price point but I’m with JSM on this I would pay extra for an update that fixed annoyances and added functionality. (Same with the Denon if I still had mine). But that would essentially put these companies in the software business which is out of their zone. So, I get it, it’s not going to happen. But it sure would be nice if it would, and some of these companies could even profit from it if users found the new firmware useful 
In the meantime this is a big boost for companies that do get this right, like A+H. Of course for what they charge for a mixer they can afford to do it right, and the user is more justified in expecting that.
We are probably flogging a dead horse here, the Behringer group underwent a huge structural change a year or so back, and many of the engineers i would chat with are now long gone.
It’s great to see they are developing new kit, but as the DDM4000 is the only MIDI capable mixer in the line (and is promoted as their only Professional mixer), it would be nice to have it working as well as it could … Those Blackfin DSP’s are not really used to their full advantage (IMHO) outlined here on a very old page
but even if you did nothing, it’s still a great mixer and i’ve not had a reason to complain .. unlike the Pioneer 800, ADJ VMS4, Denon SC & MC, Audio 8 …
Unfortunately the NOX series isn’t what i’m looking for as an upgrade … i’ll stick with the DDM4000
The Office in Willich Germany didn’t go anywhere. I spent a month there last April. And Behringer has hired more people across the board. Not sure what you’re referring to here.
The answer isn’t always “just charge more”. You might be willing to pay more, but what about an entire user base in (for instance) Latin America? Or retailers like Guitar Center. That isn’t how it works. Things are priced for a specific reason, and a lot of research goes into that pricing.
Not all countries have the same laws regarding product support.
Not always, especially when you have the capability to make (for instance) your own DSP. But I didn’t say it wasn’t possible. What I said was that a lot of resources and money would go into it. Sometimes manufacturers also over build their products, leaving room to new goodies later. But as the prices go down, so does the capability to make this kind of change.
What is more valuable to me is seeing CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on products. Because I can take that feedback and actually do something with it. It just takes a little time.
Not sure what you’re referring to. The only “huge structural change” we’ve made in the last year was in how we distribute and sell products. Production has been based in a factory we own in China for about 10 years (Google “Behringer City”).
The German office hasn’t lost any more personnel than would be expected of any large company in a year. We didn’t make some massive move to China or India as you imply. Behringer is a company with over 4000 employees, and we have major offices in at least 6 countries. Of course the biggest facility is the factory, but product development doesn’t happen there. The base for Behringer product development is in the US office in Seattle (where I work). The office in Germany was always and continues to be research and development.
What I think you might be referring to is that we consolidated all of the tier 1 tech support to our Seattle office (which is staffed with multi-lingual personnel for nearly 18 hours a day). The handful of support guys in Germany were spread too thin, so we moved the bulk of the calls to the US and have Andy and Rolf and those guys working primarily on tier 2 support issues. But they’re still with us, and they’re still in Germany.
Please take no offense when I say that you have no idea at all what those DSPs are doing, or what capacity they have left. Not unless you’re an engineer for our company.
And NOX was never supposed to be a replacement for the DDM. NOX is a higher quality line of analog mixers. We focused primarily on build quality and sonic performance, and they were also the vehicle to roll out the Infinium faders.
are there any reviews out or when do you think some might come up? really interssted to see how the NOX 606 performs even though I only really need 4 channels but at that price I’ll take the 2 extra ones 