Club's PA system fried my mixer?

Club’s PA system fried my mixer?

Hi guys, I have this problem.

The other night I was about to play at this bar. I connected my Traktor Kontrol Z2 trough rca to the clubs allen & heath mixer, and the A&H was receving some noise. We proceded to try to connect the xlr cables that were connected to the A&H, directly to my Z2. We heard a big boom on the speakers. Something was wrong, so I unplugged everything. I was scared about my mixer, but it was turning on ok and seemed to be ok.

I used club’s mixer through the rest of the night.

When I went home, I checked my Z2, and it turns on ok, HID buttons, knobs and meters work perfectly, and traktor too…BUT all you can hear through every output (headphone, master, monitor) is a strong hum noise. No music at all.

I already contacted NI support, but wanted to know if you guys had an idea of what could’ve happened, and if it will be fixable.

might be wrong, but pretty sure there will be an amp boosting the signal from your mixer to the speakers, rather than boosting any signal.

Also why wouldn’t you turn everything off before plugging stuff in?

Unfortunately bro this was user error. When you failed to kill the channels on the mixer, you left power flowing through those XLR’s. When you connected it to your mixer, it fried your grounds.

Imagine rubbing your socks on carpet then putting your finger in your car’s cigarette lighter.

Youre lucky this didnt cause any damage to the house sound system. If you dont have a warranty, feel free to pop your mixer open and post pics of the board (both sides).

You mean, kill the channels on my mixer, or the PA’s system?


It is under warranty, but it is nearly impossible (given customs in my country) to send it and receive a replacement (which is what NI offered me).

Do you think a fix could be possible?

Kill the channels on the PA system. A fix could be possible depending on the damage. I would def get in touch with NI about the customs issue. They might be able to help you with that bruv.

The thing is that they’d basically charge as much as a brand new mixer, and NI doesn’t even cover shipment costs.
So, it’d end up costing too much to do it. Not to mention the risks and specially, the time that it’d take (I reallly need this mixer, I have a couple of gigs booked, so I need to move fast.

Thanks for the help!

HAve you looked into flight cost to countries with less strict customs policies? The Z2 would count as professional equipment and could be carried onto a flight without duty fees.

Yeah, but still, it’d take too much time and hastle. I’ll rather try a fix, if this doesn’t help, then it’s getting a new one :disappointed:

Can’t figure out why this would fry your mixer ?

You took two xlrs out of the Allen and Heath outputs and connected those to the xlr outputs of the z2?

Everything should be fine.

Exactly.

That’s what I thought, but it looks as if my preamps fried (not the whole mixer, it still works as a controller, but no audio).

the_bastet said that the problem was from not killing the channel fader from the mixer where I was sending my main out.

I still haven’t found a technician willing to open it and try to fix it :disappointed:

Talk to this guy and tell him a friend of Chris Burstein sent you. They’ll probably be able to rent you some gear as well if it takes too long.

If they can’t fix it and you didn’t use it as timecode an Audio 2 will be a quick fix, otherwise you’ll need a Traktor Audio 6 or Audio 4.

There had to have been something underlying in the mixer itself. There’s no way taking the output XLR’s out of one mixer and putting them into another would fry the mixer - power on or not. If anything you’d be more prone to be doing damage to the PA than the mixer. There’s no signal coming back the other way - it’s a one way signal.

Best of luck with this and it should be covered under the warranty if something like this happens. I’ve switched live cables a fair amount and never heard of anything like this happens (but it’s also why I stick with trying to use Rane or Pioneer mixers).

Why were you chaining an average mixer into an excellent mixer? Why wouldnt you just use the excellent mixer?

Probably because of the internal audio interface. And no matter who is the manufacturer, it’s always better to power down everything before plugging cables

Phantom Power?

Was there 48v phantom power on the xlrs from the club mixer?

That’s something I started suspecting…maybe, by mistake (or stupidity) they left the phantom power on?

I know sometimes live bands play there. But still, the A&H mixer was working fine with those cables :/, so I suppose there wasn’t phantom power on them.

I’m starting to want to just punch the sound guy (who clearly didn’t know much of what he was doing)

Thanks everybody for the help!

Plug your shit into a mixing console before it goes to an amp. Believe me i know this from an expensive experience :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe consider a di box if you regularly patch into club systems.

Agree with first paragraph.

Allen Heath is no worse than Pioneer.

Wish Vestax would still be around