# Controller Overload - It's all the same!! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 1, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563 "2010-10-01T00:52:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![minimal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/minimal/32/15152_2.png) [@minimal](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/minimal)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/21 "2010-10-01T17:49:37Z")
Why are there new vci clones each day? Why are there 9999 strat copies on the market now. The electric guitar hasn’t really changed in 50 yrs yet people are still driven to make new ones. consume, consume, consume…or you’ll die? check this out > **[Homepage](https://www.storyofstuff.org)** > > Discover solutions to plastic pollution & how The Story of Stuff drives real change for a cleaner, sustainable future. My vci is fine thank you very much. (I did buy an apc40 this year but that’s cos it’s so perfect for Ableton😮) ---
**Author:** ![space\_monkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/space_monkey/32/14148_2.png) [@space\_monkey](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/space_monkey)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/22 "2010-10-01T19:06:14Z")
> [@minimal](#): > > consume, consume, consume…or you’ll die? check this out > [http://storyofstuff.com/](http://storyofstuff.com/) lol, srsly?! ---
**Author:** ![Ross](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/ross/32/13036_2.png) [@Ross](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Ross)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/23 "2010-10-01T20:06:47Z")
I think what you get with the S4 is brilliant for the money though… Fully integrated program, controller, sound card, timecode support… If you factor all this in, and add up what you’d have to buy seperately, i think you’ll be saving a hell of alot of money. I’m looking forward to getting this and purchasing a CD or TT deck later to mess around on! It’s got such good prospects! ---
**Author:** ![Mylestec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ec9cab/32.png) [@Mylestec](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Mylestec)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/24 "2010-10-01T21:04:10Z")
I use control vinyl so I’m not concerned about jog wheels and such.. but I use two LPD8’s for cues and FX… These get taken around with me to lots of gigs.. to booths where most controllers just wouldn’t fit… I tape these down to whatever surface is available.. sometimes to walls and such when the booth is really tight.. so build quality is really important. ---
**Author:** ![midifidler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/midifidler/32/14143_2.png) [@midifidler](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/midifidler)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/25 "2010-10-01T22:36:55Z")
Bento summed up my feelings pretty well. Lately the controllers that have meant the most to me are the basic devices which supplement my DVD setup in a club environment. My midi fighter/ dicers/sl3 give me all the basic cue point, mixing, and transport controls I need to build a set, anything extra I use is just for kicks. The only thing I find my self wishing i had now is a few knobs and buttons which fit into a club work flow with the same ease as the dicers. I’ve been thinking about building some slim controllers (1" thick) which would slot between the mixed and whatever deck is being used. Each would have 4 very solid encoders and 4 tactile buttons in a vertical arangement. I’d code them to work in the same daisy chain arrangement as we used in the dicer. What do you all think about that concept? ---
**Author:** ![Zac\_Kyoti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/53a042/32.png) [@Zac\_Kyoti](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Zac_Kyoti)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/26 "2010-10-01T23:59:24Z")
> [@midifidler](#): > > What do you all think about that concept? Like it. I’d like it even more with 8 knobs and 8 buttons per unit, but then we’re kinda just getting into X1 territory, huh? ---
**Author:** ![JesC](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jesc/32/10376_2.png) [@JesC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JesC)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/27 "2010-10-02T00:08:42Z")
i wish i could cut the x1 in 1/2 and place it on each side of the mixer/ ---
**Author:** ![space\_monkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/space_monkey/32/14148_2.png) [@space\_monkey](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/space_monkey)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/28 "2010-10-02T00:57:21Z")
> [@JesC](#): > > i wish i could cut the x1 in 1/2 and place it on each side of the mixer/ damn, good idea! ---
**Author:** ![Zac\_Kyoti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/53a042/32.png) [@Zac\_Kyoti](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Zac_Kyoti)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/29 "2010-10-02T01:09:13Z")
> [@BradCee](#): > > it’s like saying that all tt’s are 1210 clones, or all cdjs are 1000 clones (ok a lot are very similar so not best example - but you i think you get my point) Yeah, I get your point. I think where I’m coming from might have a lot to do with appearances and form factor. (I don’t see the S4 as a “clone”). I never made the association of the VCI-100 being a “classic” layout though, since from the moment I got into digital djing I think I’ve been most attracted to “next level” controllers - you know, the gear that doesn’t conform to the old 2 decks and a mixer paradigm. I just don’t approach digital djing that way. I kind of felt like from the start, we were in a period of transition and experimentation, so I didn’t expect the VCI look-alikes to last so long and explode like they have. I’ve been a little let down lately with the market, when what I really want to see is more shit like this:[http://www.youtube.com/reactable#p/u/9/kVTjrwqGnvQ](http://www.youtube.com/reactable#p/u/9/kVTjrwqGnvQ) ---
**Author:** ![V-Hoff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/v-hoff/32/11759_2.png) [@V-Hoff](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/V-Hoff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/30 "2010-10-02T19:54:36Z")
Behringer BCR and BCF are really nice piece of controllers, tekki can say about it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![sm00sh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/sm00sh/32/12128_2.png) [@sm00sh](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sm00sh)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/31 "2010-10-02T21:02:48Z")
> [@JesC](#): > > i wish i could cut the x1 in 1/2 and place it on each side of the mixer/ that would be amazing ---
**Author:** ![Segfault](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@Segfault](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Segfault)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 4:46am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/32 "2010-10-05T04:46:34Z")
> [@Karlos\_Santos](#): > > I think that might just be a list of the kind of clone controllers Zac is talking about (despite them all being quite old now). > > The thing with these “VCI” clones is they are made to sell units. > The VCI has sold really well but if company can cobble one together for half the price they may think they can sell lots of them. > > I dont know whether the VCI 100 was a stroke of semi-genius or just a happy coincednce that it works really well with Traktor. > Most of these clones that are "made for Traktor’ are far from it. > > The only Kontroller that gives a totally natural feel over Traktor is the KS4 which is obviously made for the job and it does the job a lot better than even the VCI depending on the usage case (not talking about arcade routines). > > Other than that its what guys on here are doing to adapt controller that have more flexibilty of simply just a lot of buttons and knobs that is more exciting that some VCI clone. > > Im quite glad that im not coming into Digital DJing right now because the choice of controllers is bewilldering. Its easy to use an experienced eye, some of us guys can spot a mistake a mile off. > > I imagine that this forum is gonna get pretty busy around Xmas with guys asking “why is the VCI100se Acrade Edition $800 when the Casio T4 controller is FREE with 10 packs of Corn Flakes, they look similar”😃 The BCR/BCF controllers aren’t VCI-Clones at all; they’re just gobs of rotaries and faders (respectively). And the Xone 3/4D could be close to a VCI clone, but it’s /exactly/ what the OP said he wanted. To quote: “2) A hi-end midi enabled mixer surface with a built in sound card that takes digital input via the card but sums it in the analog domain.” If that isn’t a Xone 4D, I don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![Zac\_Kyoti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/53a042/32.png) [@Zac\_Kyoti](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Zac_Kyoti)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 8:10am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/33 "2010-10-06T08:10:15Z")
Good point. What I should have said is, I want to see MORE midi enabled mixers that sum in the analog domain (when we’re talking about new gear announcements). And at a price point that’s actually affordable. I’d buy a simple outboard summing box if I could afford one… ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Nada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5daacb/32.png) [@DJ\_Nada](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/DJ_Nada)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 4:38am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/34 "2010-10-07T04:38:46Z")
**Lpd8** > [@Zac\_Kyoti](#): > > Like it. I’d like it even more with 8 knobs and 8 buttons per unit, but then we’re kinda just getting into X1 territory, huh? It’s called an LPD8 and it’s perfect for exactly that. See, you really don’t need a bunch of new expensive gear. ---
**Author:** ![midifidler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/midifidler/32/14143_2.png) [@midifidler](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/midifidler)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563/35 "2010-10-08T00:29:17Z")
The LPD8 does not solve the booth placement issue. Also on top of that its layout is far from ideal. [Previous page](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controller-overload-its-all-the-same/14563.md?page=1)