# Controllers: How to attain accurate 0.02% pitch resolution? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 8, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833 "2010-02-08T03:14:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mmauve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mmauve](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mmauve)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/1 "2010-02-08T03:14:15Z")
**Controllers: How to attain accurate 0.02% pitch resolution?** So through my searching, I have found that it is quite a challenge to find anything that naturally supports capacity for 0.02% incremental changes in pitch, which I consider standard CDJ-1000 behavior (or any well made CD deck for that matter). Mostly (if I’m correct in this notion) because either the pitch slider is not physically long enough (and/or at an appropriate -/+ range) to accommodate the change in values accurately enough, or the MIDI stepping which are on the slider aren’t high enough in value to accommodate all the changes in values adequately. Based on this, I have been reading that the only solution is either a high resolution MIDI slider which can handle the above feature (i.e: VCI-300), or using an endless encoder knob and assigning it to the pitch function (which I’m not a fan of personally, as I like to see-saw my slider to match beats). Is there a controller which naturally does a 0.02% change in pitch resolution on -/+ 6% pitch range in Traktor, and if not, what are some of the work arounds people use do attain this functionality. For example, I’ve heard of people assigning the jog wheels on a VCI-100 to change pitch value when the Shift button is activated. Also, by all means, if my understanding is inaccurate or partial - inform me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![n2hf1st](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@n2hf1st](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/n2hf1st)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/2 "2010-02-08T03:32:25Z")
another solution - have a fine and coarse adjustment ---
**Author:** ![mmauve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mmauve](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mmauve)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/3 "2010-02-08T03:54:45Z")
Always good to know that I missed something in this case, could you link or elaborate a little on that?. I’m assuming by course, you mean a MIDI control which handles large, whole percentage jumps, and another MIDI control which handles the more fine, fractional percentage changes?. ---
**Author:** ![mmauve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mmauve](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mmauve)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/4 "2010-02-08T21:48:53Z")
Anyone?. Surely I’m not the only one who uses the pitch control instead of the sync button lol. ---
**Author:** ![sm00sh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/sm00sh/32/12128_2.png) [@sm00sh](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sm00sh)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/5 "2010-02-08T23:32:44Z")
your certainly not the only one who pitch bends when needed. I have also found that the lower resolution midi controllers (vci-100) are not suited to beatmatch manually with the small pitch faders. which is why I almost always use the jog wheels to control pitch and the outer rim for super fine adjustments. in this way it behaves like a cdj, which is what i learned on. Lately ive given up trying to impress the seasoned vinyl dj’s and use sync to match phase and pitchbend accordingly. I guess your only other option is to search for a controller that supports hi res midi (14bit) or HID to achieve finer pitch control ---
**Author:** ![DJPhaidon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/djphaidon/32/14663_2.png) [@DJPhaidon](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/DJPhaidon)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/6 "2010-02-09T00:17:38Z")
> [@mmauve](#): > > Also, by all means, if my understanding is inaccurate or partial - inform me 🙂 Completely accurate. A bit more about it in this article [Technical Info on USB MIDI - 7 Bit and 14 Bit](http://www.djtechtools.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10949) 14-bit Midi should be able to do the trick, along with HID, or using standard midi in fine/course with modifiers like you suggested. Not very many controllers use 14-bit midi though, it’s a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Hippie](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Hippie)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 6:30am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/7 "2010-02-09T06:30:31Z")
I use a pair of SCS3ds now, which have relative slider strips mapped to both fine and normal pitch resolution. When I used to use a BCD2000 tho I found it easiest, for my mixing style, to map fine pitch buttons. So when mixing I could get it within the right bpm range with the BCDs low resolution pitch faders, then fine tune it with the buttons while still being able to pitch bend with the jogs (kinda like the way I use TTs). I’ve seen some mappings with the fine pitch assigned to the jogs when a track is playing, to solve the same problem but that just creates more mappings for me as I’d have to add the pitch bending buttons for my style. Didn’t NI add something in 1 of the recent updates to help with this? ---
**Author:** ![BentoSan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/bentosan/32/15028_2.png) [@BentoSan](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/BentoSan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 7:47am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/8 "2010-02-09T07:47:08Z")
> [@Hippie](#): > > Didn’t NI add something in 1 of the recent updates to help with this? There is now support for 14 bit midi pitch faders, the problem is not alot of controllers support it 😞 ---
**Author:** ![mmauve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mmauve](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mmauve)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 8:01am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/9 "2010-02-09T08:01:44Z")
> [@BentoSan](#): > > There is now support for 14 bit midi pitch faders, the problem is not alot of controllers support it 😞 Exactly. My problem, plus, I think it’s super crappy that NI sort of half assed the high res MIDI support, since jogwheels aren’t supported, only knobs and faders. As of right now, I have deducted that if Im gonna stick with Traktor, I need an EKS Otus Raw for what I need in a controller, and if I go with Serato Itch, then a Numark V7 hits the mark as well. Frankly, I’d rather get the Otus Raw, but no word as to when it will be out, further busting my balls -\_- ---
**Author:** ![BentoSan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/bentosan/32/15028_2.png) [@BentoSan](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/BentoSan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 8:06am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/10 "2010-02-09T08:06:16Z")
Technically there is 14 bit midi jog wheel support, it just doesnt function. That is you can assign 14 bit messages to the jog wheel midi mapping but it doesnt actually work. ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:08am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/11 "2010-03-04T09:08:31Z")
Can anyone provide any further information about using jogs to adjust pitch? I can’t get used to using the vci to mix drifting tracks, its just not a a technics deck or cdj when it comes to that aspect of mixing i know, but i must have more options. If i could have better control over the pitch i could use it more as a stand alone item. I have a lot of vinyl rips that drift and i just cant be arsed fixing them all in ableton. ---
**Author:** ![mmauve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mmauve](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mmauve)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/12 "2010-03-04T10:09:11Z")
Dude you nailed my MIDI controller needs right on the head. This is why I haven’t bought a VCI-100SE yet 😕 Hopefully the EKS Otus Raw proves more promising. ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 10:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/13 "2010-03-04T10:14:55Z")
Yup that is the one thing that lets it down. Thats why i’m very curious to see what others are doing exactly to see if i can get used to using it without usiong sync. I like beatmatching and love just throwing on a track without having to pre prepare it. Basically we either need a ableton style warp function within tracktor or some other way of more acurately riding the pitch. I am very curious as to how the jog wheel is used. ---
**Author:** ![mmauve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mmauve](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mmauve)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 10:40am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/14 "2010-03-04T10:40:01Z")
I’ve always considered what work would need to be done to replace the pitch faders with an endless encoder. Or a longer fader maybe? ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 10:42am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/15 "2010-03-04T10:42:19Z")
I dont think it matters how long the fader is does it its all about the fact its not 14bit midi isnt it ---
**Author:** ![mmauve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mmauve](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mmauve)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 11:35am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/16 "2010-03-04T11:35:56Z")
Fader length to accommodate for MIDI step accuracy also. An endless encoder knob will also do the trick since it has no limited parameters for increase/decrease values. ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 11:39am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/17 "2010-03-04T11:39:42Z")
but whatever is used does it not only have 127 steps so no matter how long etc it still only has those same settings? Or am i understanding it wrong ? ---
**Author:** ![Abyrne7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Abyrne7](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Abyrne7)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 12:09pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/18 "2010-03-04T12:09:48Z")
To add to this. I often find myself frustrated with pirch accuracy. I only really use it when I am mixing after another DJ at a club and I want to beatmatch their last track and fade into mine. To compensate I have been starting up with tracks with endless tones or just do quick cuts. But it does seem a bit of a work around and people do take notice. Do you guys find it accurate enough to say beatmatch on your VCI 100 SE from some CDJ’s?? Is there a work around?? Sorry if i hajacked the thread. ---
**Author:** ![DvlsAdvct](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/dvlsadvct/32/15020_2.png) [@DvlsAdvct](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/DvlsAdvct)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/19 "2010-03-04T15:00:47Z")
Use the jog wheels for pitch. I have .01% pitch accuracy in Traktor because I do all my BPM changes on my jogs and never touch the recommended “pitch” fader. Just assign your jogs to Up and DOwn on tempo and set the resolution to Fine. Or Ultra Fine, can’t remember, at work, not in front of the comp, etc. etc. etc.. General faders blow for really serious accuracy if there isn’t 14-bit control. _shrug_ So yeah, use the jogs. If you use the jogs then every controller can have tight pitch accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833/20 "2010-03-04T16:13:04Z")
how do you pitch bend if you are using the jogs to change the actual pitch ? [Next page](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/controllers-how-to-attain-accurate-0-02-pitch-resolution/8833.md?page=2)