So…I’ve gotten the bug to incorporate turntables again…mostly so I can spin hip hop with a friend and because my room looks weird without turntables in it.
SSL and I never really got along, but I liked FS2 before NI stopped working with Stanton, so I’ll probably give TSP2 a shot.
I can find turntables; that’s not an issue.
My question: if I buy a used Audio 4/8 DJ, where would I find/buy a software upgrade form TP2 to TSP2? Does such a thing exist? (I don’t use an S4 or S2 and don’t want to) Or would I have to go with a current TSD2 package + the software upgrade to pro?
I don’t want an Audio 10, because I don’t want to have to deal with an audio interface that requires a wall wart. An Audio 6 would be good enough for what I want to do (don’t want 4 discrete output pairs for traktor…I’d never use more than 3), it just might wind up more expensive than figuring out how to make an Audio 8 work.
Also…does anyone know if I can use a single audio interface for both TSP and Maschine? As in…input/output pairs 1 & 2 devoted to Traktor, output pair 3 devoted to Maschine. Or would I have to run 2 interfaces? I have extras if I have to run multiple interfaces…I’d just rather not have to if I can avoid it.
Last week i would have told you that the only way to Upgrade from TP2 to TSP2 if you bought an Audio 4/6/8/10 is to purchase the Certified Upgrade which includes Traktor Scratch Pro software. This is 299,00 € and includes all the leads and timecode.
People have been complaining about this for years and i have long argued that it makes no sense to charge so much for what is basically the DVS plugin being released in your software.
From now on, if you own TP2 and a Certified Mixer you qualify for the S4 DVS Upgrade for 129 euros. You would need to buy some timecode.
You dont need to own an S4 but the software is sufficient to unlock the DVS plugin.
I am seeking advice if this also applies to people that own an NI Audio 4/6/8/10 but i see no reason why it wouldnt.
This offer has only just been communicated to me (literally minutes ago) so i need to check the details precisely, but it would ‘seem’ to be a big step forward in NIs thinking.
I have long argued that users should be able to build a Traktor DVS in a modular way. It now looks as though its possible.
That’s wonderful news. My research showed the same (the $339 upgrade)…which with the cost of used Audio 4/8s would mean that I’d essentially be paying the same (~$600 with an audio 4) or more (~$680 with an audio 8) for the older sound card as a new TSP2 package ($600). I suppose I could sell my existing TP2 license, but…that’s still BS. And it’s an upgrade from the LE version that comes with the X1, so…I’m not sure how much that’s worth anyway. …and I’d be piecing it together with used gear just to avoid the damn wall wart.
I really like some of NI’s stuff…but their licensing stuff pisses me off to no end. I really think that they should just qualify audio interfaces if they really need to, sell theirs separately if they want, and rely on something like an iLok to deal with their licensing. But, well, that’s me. And everyone knows I’m a retarded moron who doesn’t like doing things the “right” way.
Please let me know when you get final word on it. It’ll probably be a little while before I do it (if I do) because turntables are still insanely expensive for no reason, and I have to either decide whether it’s worth spending $1400 on a pair of used m5gs (which used to sell used for $350 each) or if I should just go with one of the Super OEM tables for less than half the price.
Seriously…when did it become okay for used m5gs to cost the same as used cdj-1000mk3s?
This used market is so freaking weird…Technics turntables were discontinued because the used market was so saturated that they weren’t freaking selling…now they’re insanely expensive for no reason.
As you would be ‘upgrading’ your current licence (in this case) you would not be able to to sell your TP, especially as its also an upgrade from LE.
LE > TP2 > TSP2 all on the same licence but with individual Serial numbers.
Your current TP2 is the “qualifying software product” . It works slightly differently than if you simply owned an Audio 8. In that case you would have to buy the expensive package.
This really is the software upgrade that I have long called for.
As soon as i get concrete confirmation ill hit you up with the info.
And i was talking about selling my LE + upgrade license if I went with the full TSP2 box package. I just don’t want to deal with another thing to plug into the wall.
The exact same thing I have been complaining about as well for years. I upgraded from LE with the Numark Omni Control($350) to TP($120) to TP2($79). I then bought an Audio 6 ($250) really because I wanted the inputs to record out of my mixer since I use TP2 in external mode. So now, as it stands, if I want TSP2 I have to shell out another $339, thats BS. This upgrade should be like $50 plus the cost of timecode media. I have an NDX 800 which I use to scratch with MIDI but platters that don’t move are just not the same as 12’s and I would at least like the ugrade not to hurt so much since I still have to get turntables.
A little OT as I understand this is more a “cheapest”.
Not sure why people are so annoyed with having to plug in the audio 10. Ok it’s not ideal but having to plug anything in is not ideal.
Turntables… you’ll need to plug those in. A whole plug for each turntable :eek:
I presume you have a powered USB hub… that has to be plugged in :eek:
Mixer… plug that shit in
Laptop… unless you wanting it dying mid set… yup same again
Powered monitors… etc
The audio 10 is an amazing soundcard IMO, better than the audio 4/6/8. Better LED feedback and more ins and outs.
For me the fact that it’s plugged in but i can still use my turntable without the computer connected is a touch. Often my lappy will be in my bag downstairs but I want to just fling on some vinyl. It’s nice.
I am sure with the audio 8 you would have to unplug the the tts from the audio 8 and rewire them into your decks to do the same.
I wish we lived in a world with no plugs or wires but we don’t…
The difference between having to plug 4 or 5 things in makes no odds to me.
How about sell your current TP2, etc. Then hunt the second hand market for a full Audio 8 TSP package. I wouldve thought you could pick all that up for about the cost of the upgrade alone!
Basically a while back I’d bought an X1 which came with LE which I then upgraded to TP2. I later bought an S4 during the scratch kit giveaway promotion. As I was installing I thought, “hm, I might want to sell this S4 at some point… I wonder if I can use the upgrade key on my current copy of TP2 instead of the S4 copy.” I figured I still had both so I wasn’t really doing anything wrong by doing that anyway. I will add in the caveat that I did have the s4 registered in service center, but the key I used the scratch upgrade on was my x1 key, not my s4 key. I’ve still had it in the back of my mind that it might be a pain in the ass to sort all this out if I sold the S4, but I’m glad to hear this news making my decision a bit more legitimate.
My take on this news is that NI figured out the loophole that let this happen in the first place. They then either couldn’t fix it, or didn’t want to fix it, so they decided to market it as a product feature instead (probably since the certified upgrade kit didn’t quite fit the bill for TP2 owners). I’m glad NI took the approach of making things better for customers by doing this instead of trying to clamp down on it and stick it to their customers.
That all sounds legit and above board mate. If you sell the S4 you will be able to keep the TSP2 as it is linked to the LE>TP2 licence not the S4 licence.
As long as your sure that the dropdown box said “You own TP2 so you can upgrade to TSP” then your all good.
They have changed the way the upgrade system works now so that the upgrade offer you can select is given to you on the information in your registered items.
When i try to upgrade to TSP (just to test the system) it gives me “You own DUO so you can have blah blah”… I actually own everything but the system is supposed to give a user the cheapest option.
I guess it should say “Why the f*ck are you trying to buy something you already have”
A couple of months ago I was helping someone on here get scratch setup.via PM. NI told him to buy the S4 upgrade to get to Scratch certification. I told him I thought they were wrong, but since he had already ordered it to try it and let me know how it went. He told me a few days later that the S4 upgrade got worked for him even though he didn’t have an S4. Now I know why.
This is why we have the multicore cables - A4/8 users switch between vinyl and TSP all the time without doing anything more than plugging the USB in and flicking the phono/line switches
Most of my DJ gear stays where it is most of the time, unless I’m changing things up just to be doing it or taking it to a house party…though I’m done actually bringing a mixer and decks out for that…it’s not worth the hassle anymore.
Mostly, though, it’s about keeping up with and moving another wall wart.
I own 5 power adapters for my MBP. I keep one at my desk at work, one at my desk at home, one on my DJ desk, one in my DJ bag, and one my work bag. That’s right…I have 2 MBP power adapters in the same room so I don’t have to move them 10 feet, and one in each of 2 bags that are often both in my trunk so I don’t have to worry about which bag they’re in. Most of them have come with my laptops and just not broken (had a warranty and an insurance replacement for my black MB and finally upgraded to a MBP…so I only bought one extra power adapter to do this ridiculousness). Part of it is how my cable routing works…it’s a PITA to move a cable. I also have duplicates for every other cable attached to my desk or DJ desk at home. Most cables, I have like 3 of.
I’d have to buy at least one extra power adapter for the Audio 10. And I’d have to fumble with it whenever I play out. Plus it’s one more thing to forget that takes the whole system down. And the Auido 10 is already huge by itself…I think I’d have to get a different bag to have a pouch to carry it in. As it stands, the Audio 6 or 8 would fit and keep everything in one bag that I already own. The Audio 10 and its adapter would put me over-budget on space or risk crushing the laptop screen.
Plus, as it is now, my laptop will run all of my controllers off an un-powered hub off the low-power USB port, which leaves the high-power port for the Audio interface…which should be good enough considering that I used the low-power port for the SL1 for a long time before I knew there was a difference…without problems.
As far as an audio quality difference…I don’t buy it. At any rate, if I’m happy enough with the Audio 2 for DJing, I’ll be happy with any of NI’s cards. And I’m not convinced I’d be happy with any of NI’s cards for production or recording, so having a better card that I wouldn’t use for anything more demanding is just wasting money. I’ll use my FS Open for that until I can justify the expense of Apogee or Avid.
I’d also never use more IO than that for a DVS (I’ll be running Maschine and figuring out how to route its output to the same card, or I’ll be running decks C and D as sample decks into the same output). The Audio 6 is the most card I’d ever need. The Audio 8 would be a slight overestimate to account for all possibilities, though I really believe it’d be overkill…mostly it’s just cheaper than the audio 6.
The “cheap” thing was about saving money compared to buying a full-box TSP2 package and then being unhappy with the card…and not getting an audio 6 or 8 and wind up spending more than the box package to get it running just to save from dealing with that wall wart. It’s wroth having less IO, it’s not worth paying more for.
$120 for the upgrade as opposed to $340 is totally worth it. Thank you all.
Someone suggested this to me over IM on Friday, and I thought he was nuts. If that’s the way it works, then I’m set.
Thank you for your help, everyone. Just have to find an Audio 6 or 8 now. And, you know, decide if Technics are worth $800 more than Str8-150s.
[quote]Last week i would have told you that the only way to Upgrade from TP2 to TSP2 if you bought an Audio 4/6/8/10 is to purchase the Certified Upgrade which includes Traktor Scratch Pro software. This is 299,00 € and includes all the leads and timecode.
People have been complaining about this for years and i have long argued that it makes no sense to charge so much for what is basically the DVS plugin being released in your software.
From now on, if you own TP2 and a Certified Mixer you qualify for the S4 DVS Upgrade for 129 euros. You would need to buy some timecode.
You dont need to own an S4 but the software is sufficient to unlock the DVS plugin.
I am seeking advice if this also applies to people that own an NI Audio 4/6/8/10 but i see no reason why it wouldnt.
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Can you tell us more as soon as you know how much does it cost ?
I have 2 choices :
Get a NI Audio Card and have TP2 free with the winter promotion. And then upgrade TP2 to TSP2.
OR
Get the full kit : TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2 Software, TRAKTOR AUDIO 10 Audio Interface, Power Supply, USB cable, 6x RCA cable, 2x Timecode Vinyl, 2x Timecode CD, PDF manual, Quickstart Guide
I think that the first way would be much cheaper, but i don’t want any bad surprises.
