ICON iDJ First Impressions

hey, nice to find this online, thx for posting!

big question, do you have the tsi file for traktor?
I don’t know how to map the jog wheels, yeah I’m kind of retarded with midi mapping :stuck_out_tongue:

but I would like to learn and if I see the file I’m sure I will figure it out! ;D

cheers :wink: sorry i don’t have their tsi file. just had a look on their site but couldn’t see it there either.

the jog wheels do send out quite a bit of data and are different depending on whether u have scratch mode enabled or not. i don’t have any kind of full mapping for it at the moment.

seems they renamed a few things in this new version of traktor but what i do have in my mapping are these (will plug in my idj later and have a proper look/edit):

  • Ch01.Note.A#2/jog touch/button/hold
  • Ch01.CC.016/scratch/encoder/relative/3Fh
  • Ch01.CC.018/seek position/encoder/relative/3Fh (modifier… deck play=off)
  • Ch01.CC.018/jog turn/encoder/relative/4Fh (modifier… deck play=on)
  • Ch01.Note.A#3/tempo bend/up
  • Ch01.Note.B3/tempo bend/down

don’t think i changed any of the midi notes being sent out etc by my idj but am not sure at all what state the tsi was in last time i played with it :stuck_out_tongue: those settings are for deck A btw.

the jogs work really nicely when mapped properly - i should have time to plug mine in later and check. then i can attach whatever mini tsi i have that works etc.

Not sure if anyone’s still listening but just in case. I have just bought an Icon iDJ, and the jog wheels are slightly loose - they wobble so that the side of each wheel moves up and down by 1-2mm. Is this normal and OK?

I’m going to travel to Addis Ababa with it in 8 days so if it is faulty I need to get it exchanged promptly!

Thanks hugely

EDIT: Thanks hugely for all this information - was the main factor in my choosing it.

Edit 2: Has anyone seen the lid/cover for sale? The iDJ seems to have grooves along the top and bottom for a lid, but I can’t find one for sale.

cheers :wink: doesn’t seem to be much info anywhere about this little controller really which i still find odd.

just tried mine and if i actually grab onto each side of a jog and try to move it i guess it moves by about 1 to 2mm. never noticed before and it doesn’t move when using them normally.

Hey Zestoi thank you again!!

Yours sounds exactly the same as mine: Nothing that would affect use, just noticable when playing about and admiring a shiny new Christmas-present-to-self!

Not a lot about, very odd as it is a brilliant little gadget - I suppose not the high margin gear that attracts journalists. That said, not many controllers have such a detailed dissection available on the internet!

ah sure, worth checking it out. nice new present-to-self too :wink:

true :stuck_out_tongue: i was bored and people had asked for them i think. not planning on pulling it part again mind u…

i think the jogs are great and it packs a whole bunch of controls into a very small size. some of the pots are fiddly to use - but would still be useful if that’s all i had at the time - tho i find it easier to just not map the ones that are too close to the jogs.

i did attach some taller caps but couldn’t quite get them to fit properly, so until i file out the insides a bit of those new caps i’m stuck with the stock ones. having slightly taller/thinner/more-rubbery caps on really helped a lot tho.

i find it very odd that the numark dj2go has had some fairly decent reviews as a portable control surface but not the idj. there again has it had any reviews??

edit: i also still really like it’s midi (apart from the lack of led feedback) like:

  • each pot sends out a sep noteon message at the center spot as well as the usual cc’s - good for resetting a filter etc

  • in scratch mode the jogs send out a note off when u release as well as another after u release and it stops spinning… handy for vinyl emulation type stuff. spin backs etc. plus u have the more normal relative mode jog stuff for pitch bend when using the outside of the jogs. all very coo…

they really put some decent thought into the midi anyway, which is an area you’d think they’d skimp on for a budget controller.

Mapping for Traktor, that I found on iCon official website.

Guys, did you find a way to set and use hotcues with iDJ? iMapTM software (that also can be found on official website) seems not very user-friendly (to me though) for remapping…

Are you using layers? It provides 4 layers of bindings, so seems like you can have as many as 64 buttons in total. But how to map them properly?

Any help is highly appreciated!

Unit itself is very cool, btw. I like it :slight_smile:

cheers for attaching their tsi. the last time i tried to download that from their website it didn’t work for some reason.

the imap software seems ok - tho u don’t really need to use it if you’re using it with traktor. more for when u need to adjust what midi the idj sends out. with learn in traktor there’s no real need for that.

i haven’t used layers yet with it - certainly not via the builtin layers anyway. i think there’s a lot of controls in a very small space, so if i added extra layers i’d bound to use the wrong one…

Thanks for reply, zestoi

Looks lke I don’t really know how to map something in Traktor…

And what about hotcues? Have you ever used any of iDJ’s controls to set and use hotcues?

not my idj no - but they just send out midi so will be the same as any other controller.

main (only) reason i wouldn’t use the idj for hotcues is that they don’t have led feedback - so traktor can’t light up any that have hot cues stored in them.

the idj buttons just light up when u press them.

with the pretty great midi implementation the idj has i still find it very odd that it doesn’t support led feedback over midi.

you’d just want to map a “select_set_store_hotcue” for each button to make them work as hotcues, optionally adding a modifier of value=0 so you can then add a 2nd mapping of “delete_hotcue” to the same button when the modifier value=1

I’d recommend you get to grips with Traktor’s mapping - it is pretty straightforward once you get the hang of it - find your function (eg select_set_store_hotcue value 1), press learn, then press the iDJ button you want to trigger it. That’s it!

(Well, almost - you’ll probably want to delete the previous use for that button from the default iDJ mapping.)

I haven’t played with iMap properly yet, but if you rely on iMap you won’t be able to access any functions not already mapped (like cues) in the default iDJ mapping.

Also, if you use iMap layers, you’ll have to remember your iMap layer settings when creating (and using) your Traktor mapping - it is probably simpler to do layers in the Traktor mappings instead so it is all in once place. You can have any number of layers (called Modifiers in Traktor) and you can control them however you wish.

For advanced mapping, check out the recent article on this site that tells you how to make a button store a cue in the next available slot. I’d like to also map a button that selects each cue in turn each time you press it, if I can find a way. That way you could get pretty good cue functionality from a couple buttons. I’ll post back if I manage it.

The Jogs on the IDJ always seem off set at first. All you have to do is get a torc screw driver (very small) and remove the three screws that keep the aluminum plate attached to the top. Once the plate is removed, There are three more (Phillips Head) screws to remove, or loosen. You can set the Jogs to be even by adjusting the wheel once the three Phillips Head screws are loose. Once you get the Jogs straightened to your liking, simply tighten the phillips head screws and your good to go. I have two of these units and both arrived with seemingly off centered Jogs. Only required me to loosen the screws and center the Jogs manually and they are pretty much perfectly centered.

No LED feedback for this unit. IDJ American Rep said they had no plans of incorperating LED feedback at the moment. He wasnt even sure if it was a hardware or software issue (?). I dont think the IDJ will ever see a release in the AMerican market.

The buttons on IDJ have a huge amount of travel and the rubber buttons sometimes get stuck in the square plasitic that they sit in. The Pitch faders will break if you look at it the wrong way. And the Knobs seems to want to Jump off the unit with a vengence.

The Jogs are stellar though…the Jogs are the strong point of this unit.

My unit also arrived needing adjusting, but I just stuck a small Phillips screwdriver through the hole in the face plate and adjusted directly that way - I didn’t need to remove anything. (Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding your post.)

I’ve not had any robustness issues, errant knobs or faders, but I’ll bear your comments in mind when packing thanks thictool.

My grumble would be it needs a decoder or two, ie, knobs that click as they go round.

I’d say another strong point of this controller is its functionality crammed into such a compact size. It makes some of the knobs a little fiddly, but I’ve not had a problem as the jog sensitivity is alterable, and it means I can easily fit a touch-sensitive and pretty comprehensive controller in my rucksack while travelling. If I had a netbook I could fit a full DJ rig in a handbag!

the right hand pitch fader pretty much didnt work when i first got it - so just removed most of it. no real loss.

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My grumble would be it needs a decoder or two, ie, knobs that click as they go round.[/quote]

if u mean an endless encoder then yep that would be very handy.

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I’d say another strong point of this controller is its functionality crammed into such a compact size. It makes some of the knobs a little fiddly, but I’ve not had a problem as the jog sensitivity is alterable, and it means I can easily fit a touch-sensitive and pretty comprehensive controller in my rucksack while travelling. If I had a netbook I could fit a full DJ rig in a handbag![/quote]

yep. i think it’s very cool as a very small/portable controller with touch sensitive jogs and shed loads of controls. sure they’re not ideal, but better than nothing if it means u can carry it with you as opposed to nothing… people seem to consider the numark dj2go and not the idj for some odd reason… sure the dj2go is cheaper - but there’s a reason for that :stuck_out_tongue:

The dj2go is a pretty useless gimmick imho. Above all, no bass/mid/high faders? Surely one of the main reasons for using a controller over a mouse is to make simultaneous adjustments..and surely pretty much every single mix ever involves at least a little EQ. Can’t believe they missed those out - put the dj2go in the ‘very very beginner’/silly gimmick market. Also, no volume sliders on each deck. Nice design - looks nicer than the iDJ - but only four faders on the whole unit, of which two have to be deck volume, versus the iDJ’s 16, (including the deck volume sliders). iDJ also has nearly double the buttons, (not to mention touch sensitivity). I’d say a closer competition for the iDJ is the Hercules e2, which is a bit bigger and sturdier, very nicely built, especially the drivers which are phenomenally solid, similar price, but no jog touch sensitivity and too big for my rucksack..

yet oddly a lot of reviews i have read about the dj2go have rated it fairly well - for what it is. compared to next to no one really reviewing the idj…

what i was missing was touch sensitive jogs to add to whatever other mini controllers i fancied mapping/combining. i almost bought a gemini firstmix. more toylike and less useful controls apart from the jogs but they look slightly bigger than the idj’s ones.

I think the reviews are misleading - they are done by DJs who see the dj2go as a nicely put together little toy, because it maps to the software so sweetly. However I think the reviewers leave unsaid that they would never ever ever consider playing a party with one, which may mislead fresh faced enthusiasts. Granted the iDJ would take a tiny bit more setting up, but you have something that will remain useful after the first flush of enthusiasm passes and someone tries to do anything more creative than Start A, Start B, Sync, crossfade, repeat..

Hi guys,

I have the possibility to buy this controller brand new for 30 dollars, but before buy it, i’d like to know if it works very well with tractor pro ?

Thank you in advance for your help

works fine with traktor. someone posted here their official tsi - which i think u can also download from their website, tho the link didn’t seem to work for me last time i tried.

only thing i’d really want to check if buying a 2nd one is what state the pots and faders are in. they’re not the best quality ever and will get a bit loose/wobbly over time. mine is still mostly fine apart from one fader that was broken when i first got it tho and one pot that is only a bit loose due to me trying to change the caps :stuck_out_tongue:

don’t bother contacting icon support, I have sent them 6 emails in relation to my idj and istage and not one reply, I was mapping my istage to as 2 midi fighters (instant grat and deckalized combined) and a mixer and was having issues with duplicate midi messages for the led note on commands. I first contacted their suppliers for answers, was told simply “i don’t know” then emailed their support gave them as much info as I could which was a lot and got nothing back after repeat requests! /rant