# I'm a VERY happy APC puppy !! But no-one else understands **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 6, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342 "2011-04-06T13:44:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![sarasin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/sarasin/32/12614_2.png) [@sarasin](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sarasin)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/21 "2011-04-07T15:38:56Z")
Yeah…apparently there are 2 ‘versions’ of the APC40…with differing mini note values. ---
**Author:** ![deevey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/deevey/32/10758_2.png) [@deevey](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/deevey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 3:40pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/22 "2011-04-07T15:40:01Z")
Aha … found it, the non-working TSI’s had me confuzzled .. Didn’t realize you set the LED output twice for each encoder… Map LED = CCvalue = Normal Feedback **AND** Map LED = CCvalue + 8 = Range & 3/3 to get the modes Ah fun and games 😃 Should the same thing apply for buttons ? ---
**Author:** ![Kinetik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kinetik/32/6179_2.png) [@Kinetik](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kinetik)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/23 "2011-04-07T15:45:10Z")
> [@deevey](#): > > Aha … found it, the non-working TSI’s had me confuzzled .. > > Didn’t realize you set the LED output twice for each encoder… > > Map LED = Channel 1 = Normal Feedback > **AND** > Map LED = Channel 8 = Range = 3/3 to get the modes > > Ah fun and games 😃 > > Should the same thing apply for buttons ? no the buttons need a send monitor state on each one. they were also tricky at first o0 sort the controller config by “mapped to” and you can see what is going on for each one. (note there is a send monitor state on each one) also found the other layout image ---
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/24 "2011-04-07T15:48:25Z")
totally OT but every time i read the title of this thread. I can’t help but think of this… [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/techtools/original/3X/e/a/eae555ea3fa25d653795c0826e2eef3f36e0976f.jpeg "A Perfect Circle - Outsider (Director's Cut)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO3l733WRN0) ---
**Author:** ![BradCee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/bradcee/32/14017_2.png) [@BradCee](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/BradCee)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/25 "2011-04-07T15:49:57Z")
isn’t there modes on the apc on start-up. normal (more ableton geared) and ‘dumb’ with different notes and more generic? think dumb mode is the better one to map with from exp of helping a mate with his. ---
**Author:** ![deevey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/deevey/32/10758_2.png) [@deevey](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/deevey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/26 "2011-04-07T16:05:54Z")
Might give it a blast, have the rings mapped now but the mapped pots “stutter” unless I take my latency down to dangerously low levels :-S ---
**Author:** ![Kinetik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kinetik/32/6179_2.png) [@Kinetik](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kinetik)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/27 "2011-04-07T16:09:34Z")
> [@deevey](#): > > Might give it a blast, have the rings mapped now but the mapped pots “stutter” unless I take my latency down to dangerously low levels :-S Interesting you bring that up. Just sent my 40 in for repair yesterday do to the erratic behavior of the knobs. (i was only getting it on the lower 8) but i guess its a small isolated issue from what i saw on the ableton forums. give akai a call about that. Side note-really nice support center at akai 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![deevey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/deevey/32/10758_2.png) [@deevey](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/deevey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/28 "2011-04-07T16:12:42Z")
Hmmm odd, seems to be localized to Traktor and related to the latency (-9ms sorts it out). Its affecting all the knobs on mine Doesn’t effect Ableton at all, wonder is it due to dual mapping the Rings ? Oh and thanks for the heads up on the send monitor state, I would’ve lost more hair on that one 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kinetik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kinetik/32/6179_2.png) [@Kinetik](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kinetik)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/29 "2011-04-07T16:33:13Z")
Ahh your’s must be a bit diff. mine was globally ---
**Author:** ![Kinetik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kinetik/32/6179_2.png) [@Kinetik](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kinetik)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/30 "2011-04-07T16:36:05Z")
> [@deevey](#): > > thanks for the heads up on the send monitor state, i would’ve lost more hair on that one 😛 np 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![deevey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/deevey/32/10758_2.png) [@deevey](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/deevey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/31 "2011-04-07T16:56:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Ahh your’s must be a bit diff. mine was globally Yeah, the button CC’s on that second image are the same as mine, the knobs are different values though… removing the second LED mapping there is no stuttering on the knobs. I can live with the default LED’s on the rings if the latency becomes an issue, 8.5ms seems to be ok but haven’t tried multiple effects and more button states yet :-S. > [@](#): > > totally OT but every time i read the title of this thread. I can’t help but think of this… Very OT 😛 and in response, I see your vid and raise you this… https://www.youtube.com/embed/a4hFwJm41h4?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![tekki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/tekki/32/12829_2.png) [@tekki](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/tekki)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/32 "2011-04-07T18:28:19Z")
Ooh… Still loving that tune as much as the first time I heard it play! ---
**Author:** ![Kinetik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kinetik/32/6179_2.png) [@Kinetik](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kinetik)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342/33 "2011-04-07T18:37:48Z")
> [@tekki](#): > > Ooh… Still loving that tune as much as the first time I heard it play! ^^ 😃 [Previous page](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/im-a-very-happy-apc-puppy-but-no-one-else-understands/22342.md?page=1)