# Important information regarding transferring Traktor licence's bundled with F1 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** native-instruments, registration-problem, traktor\ **Created:** [May 31, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866 "2012-05-31T16:35:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:35pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/1 "2012-05-31T16:35:52Z")
**Important information regarding transferring Traktor licence’s bundled with F1** I tried to give my colleague an unregistered serial number from my new F1 controller. He couldn’t register it, so he contacted NI registration support. I also contacted them, and have just got the reply. THEY WILL NOT ALLOW TRANSFERS, to give the serial to someone else you now have to give them the hardware too. I now have several serial numbers, I can only use one at a time ! … Why can’t I give away a serial if I want? Has anyone had this problem before? Is this a new thing ? Has anyone been successful in giving away a serial from the bundled TP2.5 that comes with the F1? Quote from N.I. **Hello Mark,** **this won’t work, because the soft,- and hardware are bundled.** **So he need the F1 hardware as qualifying base product.** **Best regards** **Christian, Native Instruments Support Team** **–** **NATIVE INSTRUMENTS GmbH** **Schlesische Strasse 29-30** **D-10997 Berlin, Germany** **[http://www.native-instruments.com/](http://www.native-instruments.com/)** ---
**Author:** ![papo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/papo/32/13373_2.png) [@papo](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/papo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/2 "2012-05-31T16:39:49Z")
I guess you can try to unregister the serial that you are currently using (the one that did not come with the F1.) and give it to your friend. Then, register your F1 and your F1 software serial under your account. ---
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/3 "2012-05-31T16:57:35Z")
i’d lose the scratch upgrade that way. I asked about doing that way. I will just give him another serial as I now have 5 ! and it looks like every purchase I make with NI i’ll get another one that I can’t give away. ---
**Author:** ![MiL0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mil0/32/12337_2.png) [@MiL0](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MiL0)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/4 "2012-06-04T14:25:28Z")
in that case, do these particular versions of Traktor only work when the F1 is plugged in? if not, what would happen if you lend him your F1 and then he installs Traktor? Once it’s up and running you get the F1 back… (I’m sure NI has thought of this lol) ---
**Author:** ![Xonetacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/xonetacular/32/13588_2.png) [@Xonetacular](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Xonetacular)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/5 "2012-06-04T14:45:26Z")
> [@MiL0](#): > > if not, what would happen if you lend him your F1 and then he installs Traktor? Once it’s up and running you get the F1 back… > > (I’m sure NI has thought of this lol) +1 pretty sure you just need an f1 SN to register it ---
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/6 "2012-06-04T17:38:04Z")
to register the traktor software serial (and activate it) you need both serials. In other words if, like me, you have a fair bit of hardware you’ll end up with a load of software you can’t do anything with. So in effect, the software bundle is nothing more than a way of increasing the sale price, as it has no function for those people who already own TSP etc. So if i gave someone this version of Traktor I’d have to give him the F1 too, hardly going to happen. Anyway, it’s no longer a problem, I was giving this away to prevent someone using the cracked software. All this messing about and they chose to DL the cracked version instead (which works with both my S4 and my F1). ---
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/7 "2012-06-04T17:41:51Z")
> [@MiL0](#): > > in that case, do these particular versions of Traktor only work when the F1 is plugged in? > > if not, what would happen if you lend him your F1 and then he installs Traktor? Once it’s up and running you get the F1 back… > > (I’m sure NI has thought of this lol) The software functions without the F1 or anything else for that matter. The software isn’t crippled, just that it’s serial number is tied to the hardware. You have to use both to activate the software. If i gave him my F1 serial as well, it would show that HE owns it and not me. ---
**Author:** ![Xonetacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/xonetacular/32/13588_2.png) [@Xonetacular](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Xonetacular)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/8 "2012-06-04T17:42:58Z")
> [@JSM](#): > > to register the traktor software serial (and activate it) you need both serials. > > So if i gave someone this version of Traktor I’d have to give him the F1 too, hardly going to happen. right, so if you just wanted to give it away you could technically just give them the f1 serial to register it. you don’t need to give them your f1 and it’s not like the software and hardware are linked beyond that. ---
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/9 "2012-06-04T19:33:34Z")
erm nope, didn’t you read ? They have to REGISTER the F1 as theirs at the same time as registering the serial. ---
**Author:** ![Xonetacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/xonetacular/32/13588_2.png) [@Xonetacular](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Xonetacular)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/10 "2012-06-04T22:04:26Z")
> [@JSM](#): > > erm nope, didn’t you read ? > > They have to REGISTER the F1 as theirs at the same time as registering the serial. ok- let’s say your friend registered your f1, so what? ---
**Author:** ![guiltyblade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/guiltyblade/32/14059_2.png) [@guiltyblade](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/guiltyblade)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/11 "2012-06-05T00:48:27Z")
I’m think he may be concerned about warranty issues? I dunno. ---
**Author:** ![ekwipt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/439d5e/32.png) [@ekwipt](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/ekwipt)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/12 "2012-06-05T02:56:51Z")
I’m with Xone, if he’s a good mate it really doesn’t matter ---
**Author:** ![shr3dder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/shr3dder/32/13288_2.png) [@shr3dder](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/shr3dder)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/13 "2012-06-05T05:14:20Z")
It’s just EULA nonsense, if its a good mate it won’t matter. It’s probably not 100% legal but. The software is dirt cheap these days anyway, who knows why they’re being difficult about it all. ---
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 7:29am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/14 "2012-06-05T07:29:45Z")
> [@ekwipt](#): > > I’m with Xone, if he’s a good mate it really doesn’t matter then you give your gear away … ---
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 7:35am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/15 "2012-06-05T07:35:30Z")
> [@guiltyblade](#): > > I’m think he may be concerned about warranty issues? I dunno. more than warranty, it will no longer belong to me. I couldn’t sell, RMA, or install it legally. Neither could I upgrade or crossgrade. From what I have been told, this will be the way for all new releases of hardware. As the serial is already registered to me, I have to de-register the F1, transfer ownership to him and at any time he could refuse to give it back and I don’t have a legal leg to stand on. ---
**Author:** ![shr3dder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/shr3dder/32/13288_2.png) [@shr3dder](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/shr3dder)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:24am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/16 "2012-06-05T11:24:07Z")
Well if you don’t really know the guy then yeah sure I get what you’re saying, but you wouldn’t have to give him the actual unit. But otherwise dude you need some more trustworthy friends. ---
**Author:** ![MWagner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mwagner/32/13308_2.png) [@MWagner](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MWagner)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/17 "2012-06-05T14:50:25Z")
> [@JSM](#): > > more than warranty, it will no longer belong to me. I don’t know how things work in Spain but I’m pretty sure in most places registration with the company doesn’t carry with it any legal rights whatsoever. At least not WRT the hardware. ---
**Author:** ![JSM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jsm/32/14170_2.png) [@JSM](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/JSM)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/18 "2012-06-05T16:18:32Z")
Nothing to do with Spain, it is NI Germany who made the rules. The same thing has been raised on the NI forums and their position is clear. If you buy the F1, the software with it can only be registered with BOTH serial numbers. The NI hardware one that starts with 1401- and the NI software one starting with 1301. When you go to register the software it redirects you to an F1 registration page [http://www.native-instruments.com/hardware-registration/f1/](http://www.native-instruments.com/hardware-registration/f1/) If he registers the F1, it will legally belong to him (at least the only ownership papers will reflect that). There is no way around it … try it if you don’t believe me, it will only cost you $300 to find out. ---
**Author:** ![MWagner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mwagner/32/13308_2.png) [@MWagner](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MWagner)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/19 "2012-06-05T16:27:30Z")
I understand NI’s position on registration, what I’m saying is that at least in this country, product registration does not constitute legal ownership. Native Instruments can decide who holds a software licence, but its not up to them to decide who owns a piece of hardware. What people in this thread are having trouble understanding, I think, is why you would give him the actual F1 unit, rather than simply giving him the serial number. Your concerns about warranty and upgrades and such are certainly valid, but you would not give up ownership of your F1. ---
**Author:** ![zero15ny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/zero15ny/32/13074_2.png) [@zero15ny](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/zero15ny)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866/20 "2012-06-05T16:56:32Z")
If it works the same way traktor does, you can install the software past the cap that the terms of use states. I think you’re only allowed two installs per license and I easily have it on about 5 computers of mine by now, maybe the F1 registering works the same? Find out if you can have your F1 registered to more than one copy of traktor (call up and ask if you can install it on more than one computer), and if you can just let your friend register through both the F1 and the traktor license of yours. [Next page](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/important-information-regarding-transferring-traktor-licences-bundled-with-f1/42866.md?page=2)