# Issues with pitch adjustment granularity **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 18, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014 "2012-02-18T15:49:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sroughley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sroughley](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sroughley)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/1 "2012-02-18T15:49:29Z")
**Issues with pitch adjustment granularity** Hi all, Complete newbie here so please go easy. I used to use Traktor Studio 2 for DJing with my laptop and was pleased with the ability to right-click on the pitch control to get fine adjustments that would let me get the beatmatching pretty much bang-on. I have now taken a step into the present and upgraded to Traktor Pro 2 on Windows 7 and I even purchased a Numark Mixtrack (not Pro as I already have a very good sound card). Now I am finding I am not able to get the beat match anywhere near as close as I used to be able to. I am enjoying the use of hardware to mix, but am frustrated that I am constantly riding the tempo bend controls to keep everything in time. I am aware that I can adjust the pitch range on Traktor but to get the fine-grained control that I am used to I need to set the range to 2% which makes it impossible to mix tracks that are any more than 3bpm out. Now my question is: are there any alternatives to Traktor that are likely to help? I would like to try Serator DJ Intro as I am aware that Serato is famed for accuracy and reliability but I cannot even try it out unless I get a controller with an in-built audio card. I would like to avoid this as it may be a waste of time if there is no difference and I already have a very powerful audio card that I do not want to replace. Also, I know that I can use Syncing but beatmatching is half the fun for me and my old-school friends. Any help is greatly appreciated! Cheers, Stephen ---
**Author:** ![lethal\_pizzle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/lethal_pizzle/32/11770_2.png) [@lethal\_pizzle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/lethal_pizzle)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/2 "2012-02-18T16:02:01Z")
The problem isn’t Traktor, but your hardware. It’s about MIDI. You are using a standard MIDI controller, which only allows 128 steps between the bottom of your pitch fader to the top. Hence the lack of precision. You might want to look at a controller with hi-res messages such as the S2. ---
**Author:** ![sroughley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sroughley](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sroughley)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/3 "2012-02-18T16:03:42Z")
OK, thanks for the help! So do you think if I switched the Mixtrack Pro with Serato’s tight hardware integration that I would get around this issue? ---
**Author:** ![lethal\_pizzle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/lethal_pizzle/32/11770_2.png) [@lethal\_pizzle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/lethal_pizzle)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/4 "2012-02-18T16:07:39Z")
No, it’s still a standard MIDI controller sending the same standard lo-res MIDI data, regardless of the application. ---
**Author:** ![sroughley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sroughley](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sroughley)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/5 "2012-02-18T16:16:39Z")
Right-oh. Thank you very much for your help! Stephen ---
**Author:** ![MrPopinjay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mrpopinjay/32/14471_2.png) [@MrPopinjay](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MrPopinjay)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/6 "2012-02-18T17:20:42Z")
You could map two buttons to fine increase/decrease of pitch and use that to nudge it into the correct position once you are as close as you can get using the shitty pitch fader. ---
**Author:** ![peedot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dfb087/32.png) [@peedot](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/peedot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/7 "2012-02-18T21:59:11Z")
Have you tried changing the pitch/tempo range? the smaller you make it, the more precise the pitch slider will be. ---
**Author:** ![sroughley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sroughley](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sroughley)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/8 "2012-02-18T22:45:47Z")
> [@MrPopinjay](#): > > You could map two buttons to fine increase/decrease of pitch and use that to nudge it into the correct position once you are as close as you can get using the shitty pitch fader. Ah! How do I do this? I cannot see any mapping by that name. This sounds like exactly what I’m after! ---
**Author:** ![sroughley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sroughley](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sroughley)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/9 "2012-02-18T22:49:51Z")
> [@peedot](#): > > Have you tried changing the pitch/tempo range? the smaller you make it, the more precise the pitch slider will be. Hey, thanks for the reply. Yep. This is pretty much where I am right now. The only issue as I mentioned earlier is that this then only gives me the ability to match tracks that are within 3bpm of eachother. And I am considering processing all of my tracks to bring them within this range but it seems a bit drastic. ---
**Author:** ![jamthrax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@jamthrax](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/jamthrax)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/10 "2012-02-18T23:15:20Z")
3 bmp is drastic.. I don’t think any company would make a controller that has a problem like that. Maybe try downloading a new mapping from the controller mapping thread > **[THE LIST - All User-Mappings of DJTT(server)](https://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=24121)** > > Related to Mapping > FAQ- How to Load mapping files > Official DJTT Mappings > External Mappings (TraktorBible) > Midi-Command-Finder > Traktor mapping tips, tricks and questions hereif you don't find a mapping for your controller, before start a Thread... this may help On another thought thou… are you trying to mix 2 tracks together with a large bmp difference like dubstep to d&b? ---
**Author:** ![Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Hippie](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Hippie)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/11 "2012-02-18T23:16:43Z")
Tempo is the function you’re looking for. Another alternative is to map the jogs to control the pitch (tempo) during playback via a modifier. ---
**Author:** ![sroughley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sroughley](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sroughley)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/12 "2012-02-19T00:01:01Z")
OK, how do I map Tempo so that I have a more fine control of it than I otherwise would have? I cannot see ‘Fine Tempo’ and Tempo is already mapped to the pitch fader and is not fine enough so I’m lost as to how I can match it in this way ---
**Author:** ![dj\_matt\_blaze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f475e1/32.png) [@dj\_matt\_blaze](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/dj_matt_blaze)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/13 "2012-02-19T00:14:09Z")
if u get it that close just hit the sync button…problem solved ---
**Author:** ![sroughley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sroughley](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sroughley)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/issues-with-pitch-adjustment-granularity/38014/14 "2012-03-10T18:26:55Z")
So, lethal\_pizzle, I ended up taking your advice and buying the S2. Couldn’t be happier! Pitch control is now perfect 🙂 Thanks for the help! Stephen