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there’s no slave in tpro…
No, there is a sync button instead. How is the sync button any different from the slave button?
when you press ‘sync’ it will bring the track to the closest beatmark/grid, which will trainwreck a mix unless you’ve beatgridded the tracks.
when you press ‘slave’ it syncs the slave track’s bpm to the master track’s bpm with out actually moving the track, so it doesn’t matter if you’ve beatgridded the track or not.
in Traktor 3 this happened as well, as far as I remember. When I sync’d two tracks together it lined them up with the beatmarkers. So I’m not sure how this is any different from what you’re experiencing with Traktor Pro.
seriously buddy read.
yes the SYNC would line up the beatmarkers or bring a track back to the closest beatmarker.
but the SLAVE just syncs the BPM unless you press SYNC with the slave on…
good grief!
I think I’ve figured it out… (pardon my n00bness)…
I figured out you could expand the sync range so you can sync every track to any other track. That’s pretty amazing, and my appreciation for TPro is coming back now 
Yeah, I see your point.
But what throws me off is you don’t want to set grids, and you want to rely on Traktor’s bpm detection, yet you use slave… and if Traktor’s bpm detection is off then you need to use the pitch fader anyway, which cancels out your slaving (unless I am remembering this wrong, which could happen, cause this discussion has been going on for a few days). Especially when working with funk and rock songs where the bpm will almost definitely not be detected correctly by Traktor.
This is not me critiquing, I’m just trying to understand your workflow
ya i only use slave more or less to sync the bpm, or close o sync anyways in the case of songs without set bpm. Also when I want to keep both the decks’ bpm synced when I am changing the tempo on one deck so that they both stay flush mid-mix while I am making the tempo change.
eg.
say i wanted to mix a deck A that is 115bpm into deck B 120 bpm
i will hit master on deck B, and hit Slave on deck A so that deck A becomes 120 bpm as well.
now when im mixing out to Deck A i hit Master on Deck A and then hit Slave on Deck B , so that I can bring Deck A down to it’s orginal temp(115) and deck B will follow it to 115.
now in circumstances that I am using songs with varying BPM I cannot rely on the BPM for an accurate so Slave is somewhat useless, I have to just play be ear in a similar fashion to beatmatching on turntables.
This also means that I cannot use the Slave/Master–> Master/Slave technique which i described above, I have to find other ways around it.
i hope that better explains my use for these functions! 
Thats a harsh exaggeration, if you watch ean’s videos about beatgridding its rather quick and painless with some hotkeys/buttons setup.
If your tracks are recent and come from CDs or web sources they should be perfect too (unlike vinyl rips) where you dont need minor grid adjustments.
I’m pretty sure i could beatgrid somewhere around 100 tracks in an hour.
Back on topic though:
I’ve moved over to traktor pro completely now and only use traktor 3 if i’m going back to back with mates that havn’t moved to traktor pro yet and/or can’t come to grips with my custom midi setup.
I’ve had no issues with master/slave sync. I fire it up, i mix, it works.
Alright i think i get this basicly his issue is that Traktor doesnt have a “Tempo Sync” function (not to be confused with phase sync).
This is a known issue in Traktor Pro and is being delt with at the moment.
Depending on the individuals workflow this will effect some people more than others - even if your laying grids down this can be an issue as you cannot change the tempo of two tracks at a time without phase syncng the two tracks which sometimes is not a disireable options.
The only options would be to have the decks phase synced and shift the autogrid position to achieve the desired phase, then beatmatch the master deck to the 3rd deck playing. Another alternative is to make midi mappings which shift two decks tempo relative to each other at the same time - both of these options are impracticle though and i wouldnt recommend the use of either technique as both your code and yours workflow start getting messy.
bingo!
i’m not anti-traktorpro , i have faith that in following updates it might become a software that I can get behind. but for now I’m most comfortable with traktor3 so i’ll continue working with it until traktorpro works out it’s kinks.
If you still want to your songs to be accurate while doing temp syncing you need to set beatgrids - my experience with traktor 3 tempo detection wasnt a very pleasant one, Traktor Pro’s is a large improvment(but still far from perfect). That said tempo detection in all programs sucks and Tpro’s is the best i have come across so far.
agreed i often have to compensate by using pitchbend and riding the tempo in traktor3 because about 75% of the time the tempo detection is not completely accurate. More often the tempo detection is off by atleast a few points. It’s possible to work around but definitely takes close listening and compensation to do precise phase matching.
it’s similar to turntables that way i guess as you need to be prepared to compensate for inconsistencies, turntables you need to compensate for drifting and such…where as software you need to compensate for innacurate tempo detection.
Native Intruments screwed me with traktor pro
This was pretty much my technique too! I would basically just switch the master and slave back and forth as i went from deck to deck. I’m trying Pro out and I’m having the same issue as you. Which is how I came to this forum. I just upgrade from leopard to snow leopard and wouldn’t you know it, my traktor 3.3 stopped working. After searching for a solution then crying a lot I went ahead and got Traktor pro.
I immediately noticed a bunch of huge differences not only in the beat algorythm but the overall functionality of the product. Don’t get me wrong traktor 3 had huge issues too but the form was awesome.
I liked traktor 3’s versatility. I could perform with any number of midi setups, hot keys and if i wanted to, I could use the mouse. Biggest things i miss are the beatjumping buttons up top, yeah they were only 3 sizes but i used them as a sort of live looping function. And yes, there is a work around with hotkeys or midi and THREE DIFFERENT settings you have to config for each beat jump but there is no more on screen interface for quick on-the-go mixing. : (
The other thing that is obviously a huge problem and the reason I’m replying to this thread is the Master/Slave issue. In traktor 3 you could set one deck’s tempo to be the master and all other the slave, All before you started playing the slave decks, and traktor 3 would sync up the BPM’s of all the desks for you before you started playing. Which is huge if you like to slam lots of songs into the mix and would rather skip the extra step pressing the sync button every time. : (
That combined with it not locking the sync/slave to the master deck so that when you adjust the tempo fader it adjust all slave decks as well is basically going to make me have to relearn how to DJ in my fast passed style.
Sure I can beatmatch by ear but that’s not going to help when you have 4 decks going at once and you need to up the tempo of the mix.
WHY OH WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME NATIVE INSTRUMENTS!! AFTER WE’VE BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH TOGETHER : (
holy old thread lol.
yeah can’t help you out there mack, i’m still using traktor 3 to this day.
i’ve only done a bit of test runs on earlier versions of pro so i’m not sure what the workaround is for your problems.
maybe an idea would be figure out how to get traktor 3 running again?
I would love that, but 3.2 and 3.3 definitely crash within 5 minutes on snow leopard. The only version I haven’t tried is 3.4, can’t find it online to try. Do you know if there is any updated from NI that let 3 run on snow leopard?
I’ve got pro working a bit better, guess to get the sync to work like the Slave did you have to have all your music beat gridded, problem with this is, if traktor grids it wrong ( as in starts on the wrong beat) and subsequently when the phase meter isn’t lined up, you can’t adjust the tempo of both decks with a change to the tempo of just the master deck.
This is annoying more than anything because I am used to the way traktor 3 handled the phase meter and tempo separately, allowing you to adjust the tempo of the master and slave locked decks without the phase meter changing or having to be perfectly synced.
Yeah this is a hella old thread but as I was just FORCED to move to traktor pro, I’m just now having to deal with all of these issues. Its got me a little freaked out about an upcoming performance.