# Mixed in Key Poll **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 20, 2011, 8:03am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627 "2011-01-20T08:03:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:03am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/1 "2011-01-20T08:03:01Z")
**Mixed in Key Poll** Do you use it? I just found out a friend of mine i’ve known for years uses it and swears by it. I really respect this guy musically as well. but after reading the review of it only being about 60% accurate (or wrong 40% of the time depending on how you look at it) im a little apprehensive. So do you use it? If you do, is it accurate for you? I’m entirely open to the idea that their algorhythm could have improved since that review. and before you jump the shark, yes i know about rapid evolution and mixmeister. But I didnt really like RA and i dont see myself buying mixmeister. I just want to know about mixed in key. I was just curious to put a poll up here cause i couldnt find one someone had done in this way. so vote up there and comment down here or something 😛 thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![wrong\_chris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wrong\_chris](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/wrong_chris)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/2 "2011-01-20T08:42:10Z")
nope. 60% success rate sounds pretty bullshit to me… and they charge what, a 100$ for that crap? give me a fucking break. if i cared enough to label my tunes by key i’d just use a keyboard and my ears… i think the fact that it would be a 100% success rate would outweigh the extra time/work it would require… ---
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:46am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/3 "2011-01-20T08:46:33Z")
They charge 58 dollars. I read eans review. I’m just looking for feedback from more than 1 person ---
**Author:** ![wrong\_chris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wrong\_chris](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/wrong_chris)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:51am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/4 "2011-01-20T08:51:05Z")
yea i hear ya… once they come out with a version that scores a 90-100% accuracy i’d be loving that, but until then it just seems way to dodgy to invest money in the software and time into more prep-work chores. ---
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:53am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/5 "2011-01-20T08:53:03Z")
See that’s the thing I’m hoping this poll will shed some real light on. ---
**Author:** ![Jester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jester/32/12996_2.png) [@Jester](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Jester)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:10am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/6 "2011-01-20T09:10:41Z")
been using it for over 2 years and couldn’t go without it now ---
**Author:** ![wrong\_chris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wrong\_chris](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/wrong_chris)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:32am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/7 "2011-01-20T09:32:46Z")
is it true it only works like half the time? or is it better for certain genres of music than others? ---
**Author:** ![Jester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/jester/32/12996_2.png) [@Jester](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Jester)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:44am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/8 "2011-01-20T09:44:39Z")
i would say about 2-3 tracks out of 10 sound a bit off, not too bad. ---
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:45am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/9 "2011-01-20T09:45:38Z")
> [@](#): > > is it true it only works like half the time? or is it better for certain genres of music than others? just keep an eye on the poll to find out =p ---
**Author:** ![fullenglishpint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/fullenglishpint/32/12539_2.png) [@fullenglishpint](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/fullenglishpint)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:51am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/10 "2011-01-20T09:51:53Z")
I wish someone would do a large scale test of a few hundred songs, maybe even separated by genre, so we could actually have some impirical evidence of its capabilites rather than hear-say. DJTT already did a comparison test, I think it must be scratchworx turn 😛 ---
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:01am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/11 "2011-01-20T10:01:41Z")
or this poll’s turn =) im fine with heresay as i trust the members of this forum more than i do any review site tbh. you get a random sample in here. biased people, unbiased people. i picked the items i picked as a good sample with the help of a friend thats taken 3 semesters of college level statistics =p. ---
**Author:** ![lethal\_pizzle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/lethal_pizzle/32/11770_2.png) [@lethal\_pizzle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/lethal_pizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:05am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/12 "2011-01-20T10:05:25Z")
I think the % accuracy is misleading, as even the ones that it gets wrong are still likely to be in keys relatively harmonic to each other. I use it anyway, not religiously, but as an additional tool. ---
**Author:** ![fullenglishpint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/fullenglishpint/32/12539_2.png) [@fullenglishpint](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/fullenglishpint)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:18am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/13 "2011-01-20T10:18:35Z")
> [@xtianw](#): > > or this poll’s turn =) > > im fine with heresay as i trust the members of this forum more than i do any review site tbh. > > you get a random sample in here. biased people, unbiased people. i picked the items i picked as a good sample with the help of a friend thats taken 3 semesters of college level statistics =p. Ok I don’t want to turn this thread into another argument lol, but your statistics expert didn’t advise you to offer an option of something like ‘I use it and find it’s accurate some of the time but not always’? i mean, the 2 options to owners of the software are basically equivalent to 1 star or 5 stars with nothing in between. I wouldn’t say you certainly get a random sample on here either, in general the community here belongs to a rather specific group of DJs. ---
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:21am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/14 "2011-01-20T10:21:14Z")
> [@fullenglishpint](#): > > Ok I don’t want to turn this thread into another argument lol, but your statistics expert didn’t advise you to offer an option of something like ‘I use it and find it’s accurate some of the time but not always’? > > i mean, the 2 options to owners of the software are basically equivalent to 1 star or 5 stars with nothing in between. > > I wouldn’t say you certainly get a random sample on here either, in general the community here belongs to a rather specific group of DJs. it’s specifically designed for someone to make a asserted decsion about their opinion. It’s either good enough, or it isnt. the idea being, when someone asks you if you should buy something, a useful and valid answer will never, under any circumstance be “maybe”. Any answer that isnt yes or no will likely be discounted as “trash data” by the person asking the question anyway. ---
**Author:** ![fullenglishpint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/fullenglishpint/32/12539_2.png) [@fullenglishpint](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/fullenglishpint)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:26am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/15 "2011-01-20T10:26:49Z")
> [@xtianw](#): > > it’s specifically designed for someone to make a asserted decsion about their opinion. It’s either good enough, or it isnt. > > the idea being, when someone asks you if you should buy something, a useful and valid answer will never, under any circumstance be “maybe”. Any answer that isnt yes or no will likely be discounted as “trash data” by the person asking the question anyway. Fine, but forcing those who have no strong opinion either way will create distorted data. If the fact of the matter is that most owners of the software don’t find it to be super accurate but acceptable, say 3-4 stars out of 5 from my previous analogy, the poll should show that rather than manufacturing a polarised result. And as I mentioned, while this is an interesting poll, more useful would be to find some demonstrable facts about its accuracy by testing it with a large sample of tracks. ---
**Author:** ![Archies\_bald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/archies_bald/32/15065_2.png) [@Archies\_bald](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Archies_bald)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:40am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/16 "2011-01-20T10:40:02Z")
> [@lethal\_pizzle](#): > > I think the % accuracy is misleading, as even the ones that it gets wrong are still likely to be in keys relatively harmonic to each other. I use it anyway, not religiously, but as an additional tool. This is the correct answer. ---
**Author:** ![xtianw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e19b73/32.png) [@xtianw](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/xtianw)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/17 "2011-01-20T10:43:43Z")
> [@fullenglishpint](#): > > Fine, but forcing those who have no strong opinion either way will create distorted data. If the fact of the matter is that most owners of the software don’t find it to be super accurate but acceptable, say 3-4 stars out of 5 from my previous analogy, the poll should show that rather than manufacturing a polarised result. > > And as I mentioned, while this is an interesting poll, more useful would be to find some demonstrable facts about its accuracy by testing it with a large sample of tracks. heres what i was just told. She asked me initially how many people would participate in the poll. I told her no more than 100 people. So she told me come up with 5 choices. To add middle ground, id need to add 2 more choices 1 for own it, 1 for doesnt own it. making it 8 choices. given that no more than 100 people will likely participate in the poll (and lets be honest, if we get 100 actual mixed in key users in here, it would be nothing short of a miracle), the data numbers would be low and the end result wouldnt garner any meaningful percentages as an end result. then im told "anyone that doesnt want to give you a yes or no on if you should buy something, well, you probably dont want their opinion anyway as indifference really isnt helpful in getting an answer to the question that youre asking. so im gonna lay my trust in the cal tech grad. She knows im only on my 3rd college level algebra class. i really dont want her to bombard me with equations i cant solve yet tonight =p ---
**Author:** ![fullenglishpint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/fullenglishpint/32/12539_2.png) [@fullenglishpint](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/fullenglishpint)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 11:02am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/18 "2011-01-20T11:02:26Z")
In that case you should be using 2 separate polls, one for those who own it and actually have a valid point of view on the effectiveness of the program, and if you insist another one to find out opinions of those who don’t own it. Your starting point should be “what do I want this poll to tell me”, and in this case if you want to know what level of accuracy people have found the program to give, those who don’t own it are not really a valid target group. You are correct in stating that you don’t want too many options in the middle ground as people will tend not to give useful answers, and your cal tech friend sounds about right in suggesting a set of around 5 options, so in this case I would have offered 4 or 5 options of how accurate people find it, maybe with a simple ‘I don’t use the program’ option as well. I am a marketing analyst so I know what I’m talking about here. ---
**Author:** ![wrong\_chris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wrong\_chris](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/wrong_chris)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 11:31am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/19 "2011-01-20T11:31:54Z")
> [@fullenglishpint](#): > > I wish someone would do a large scale test of a few hundred songs, maybe even separated by genre, so we could actually have some impirical evidence of its capabilites rather than hear-say. here here! i nominate fullenglishpint for president of polls ---
**Author:** ![fullenglishpint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/fullenglishpint/32/12539_2.png) [@fullenglishpint](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/fullenglishpint)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 11:42am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/mixed-in-key-poll/18627/20 "2011-01-20T11:42:52Z")
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