Sorry, didn’t mean to imply per card. Where are you getting information about Thunderbolt having significant latency vs regular PCIE?
Yes. Want the stability of a mac pro specifically made for your needs which DO NOT include photoshop maya and 3dsmax? Well we’ll throw in a couple of $3k gpus that you’ll never use just in case.
Why now, audio-related programs are less important than 3d rendering ones? Call it the Mac Pro Designer Edition then.
The audio industry has run on mac for the past what, decade? Of course i expect apple to make such a product configurable!
For a high bandwidth displays the Video Latency over Thunderbolt @ 2560x1440 is around 10ms (around the same latency as a monitor speaker 5ft from your head)
Yes arguably more latency pcie but for file transfers and constant data streaming it would negligible.
Is that based on the refresh rate of the display, or is it the extra delay caused by Thunderbolt? The only thing I can find with searches is how TB has lower latency than USB.
I’m also not really finding anything on TB vs. PCI-E in terms of latency. The only thing I’ve found is a forum post of some guy using a chassis and a MB Air to run some tests. Post Here
In any case, the tests make it hard to determine what to think. He was playing back 192 tracks while recording 192 tracks at 48kHz, all at 128 buffer size (which is pretty darn small). He ended with 392 samples which is 8.16 MS of latency. He also goes on saying that considering the large I/O he couldn’t go at 64 buffer size, and that using a beefier computer would have reduced the sample latency even more (claiming 24 samples apparently).
In any case, 8 MS latency isn’t too bad when mixing, but it won’t be the first time I get an angry musician over talkback complaining about latency when tracking. If the guy from this post is true in his statement that you can decrease latency to something as low as 24 samples (with more processing power) then we can probably throw the whole “PCI-E has more latency” argument out.
Very good find and pretty clearly shows the lack of limitation of using thunderbolt chassis for peripherals - personally I see it as a giant step forward rather than backwards.
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It was a test on last years Thunderbolt display where it mentioned unsuitable for gaming due to the latency - however on re-think its probably a limitation with the display itself rather than the latency of thunderbolt.
Try more than 7 8 K Polygon. When I was pricing Mac Pros vs building my custom machine, Apples highest spec possibility came in at 11.5k before monitors. This was 12 cores then as well.
So their “later this year mac” isnt really much. Their new one is going to have to weigh in pretty heafty at even bottom end specs.
I built 16 cores, Dual 7970s, 1TB SSD, Dual Closed Loop Watercooling, 64 GB of RAM for 7k, INCLUDING two 1080p 26 inch Monitors. For 7,200. If they can match or beat that with 12 cores, I guess they will be doing pretty good compared to their previous track record of pricing.
Well that’s a fucking awesome build dude! Imma see some gentle typhoon love in that case 
Yeah i just gave a random price there. Specced with top pf the line gfx this baby’s going to come in at 12-13 if not more
JESUS. THAT COMPUTER BALAKOTH.
And I thought the people over at Hard Forum were crazy with their builds…
You used cheap consumer graphics cards, I’m guessing non-ECC consumer RAM, and blatantly low end consumer monitors if you’re only getting 1080p at 26 inch. Do the 16 cores mean you’ve used a couple of AMD 8 core processors too?
I’m sure it works great but it’s not exactly comparable overall.
Sorry to say this but, why do you fuck with everyone so much?
If you knew what you were talking about, you’d know that when it comes to opencl/opengl you have the same performance from “cheap” consumer oriented and pro oriented cards, if they share the same chip of course.
Do you even know what ECC means? Please enlighten me without changing tabs and switching over to wikipedia to check what ecc memory is and where it is most crucial (hint: definitely not in a prosumer ecosystem towards which the mac pro is oriented)
It’s also clear from his post that,for 7.5k and that specs he cited, he must have used intel processors and not those bullcrap amd bulldozer chips (that by the way don’t support dual cpu configs) (unless you’re talking about amd’s opteron offerings, that also suck balls.
and to finish it off, 26inch at 1080p is “blatantly low end”?
What about this 1200p measly 24" monitor? is it “blatantly low end” too?
http://www.imagescience.com.au/products/NEC-PA241W-24-Inch-Reference-Monitor-%252d-Hand-Picked,-Certified-Calibration.html
Now i’m sorry if i was rude in this post, it’s just that you’re becoming a bit too hateful towards…well… everyone here.
I’m not trying to be hateful here, just pointing out that using consumer specced components is not a fair comparison.
And yes, 1080p is a consumer oriented spec. 1200p like you linked and above is what is used in decent monitors.
7970s are not cheap… especially in crossfire w/ Komodo waterblocks.
They’re just geared towards gaming, not video processing. There’s absolutely no reason to buy a Firepro if you aren’t doing primarily video work. Why does having ‘low end’ monitors even matter? It’s not like the Mac Pro is coming with Cinema Displays.
I love how you just assume the worst about his build and just trash talk it down…
Likewise, there’s absolutely no reason to buy a Mac Pro if you want a gaming machine.
Completely untrue when it comes to video.
Reference 1080p monitor? no? never heard of it?
Reference monitors lie in the tens of thousands price range. At 26" I would expect 1200p as a bare minimum, and 1440p ideally.
Yeah Polygon, lots of Typhoon love in there haha. They are amazing fans, I love them to death.
Makar1 its fun to have you respond, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes I do use ECC Ram and I find it funny you really think the difference in price is all that much. Perhaps you should build more computers from scratch instad of just doing alot of reading.
1080p are not below spec. 1the IPS panels are now top of the line, which run 700 to 800 bucks. Apples run $1200 and ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRICE OF A MAC PRO
ALso as Slvr Dragon stated, my “Cheap” Consumer, Reference based cards are 7970s. Funny how they dont list what dual GPU they put in there, since from the Apple store you can still only put ATI Cards in there, and you would need to buy after market Quadros to go above my “Cheap” 6 GB total SLI setup..
None of the options to build a Mac Pro offer anything other than the ECC Ram you are so giddy about (Which provides absolutely no performance benefits). ATI Cards, Below Spec Intel Chips available on market, Just now getting on the SSD Bandwagon? Claiming PCIE SSD Can reach 1250mb? Sure Apple it can, once they develop flash memory that can write and read at that speed. PCIE SSD Drives still top out at SATA Speeds in sustained writes.
You love Apple I get it Makar… but dont make yourself look like a fool when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes and so? You can buy a $3000 20 inch reference monitor, does that make it low end? I still don’t understand your point. Resolution?
You are saying that because a 12mpx nikon d3s has less MPX than a 18mpx compact that makes it low end?
ROFL… Ok buddy. You have fun nitpicking about above 1080 resolution and an extra 400 bucks on each monitor, when I dont do Video editing.. and well. Apple doesnt sell their machines WITH monitors.. so your point is still very… lost in the disucssion. But nice try!