Platter Momentum Issue with Traktor Scratch Pro 2 and SCS3.DJ System
Hey Everyone!!
I’m having an issue in Traktor where my platter has no inertia when I attempt to spin it on the scs3.dj controller.
If I drag the waveform with my mouse in Traktor, I can push with some momentum and it will spin freely, but when I attempt to do the same with the deck on the controller, the waveform looses all momentum the minute my hand leaves the deck.
Please help.. I want to do backspins, etc.. but my controller makes the platter feel like its 1000 lbs
Technically speaking, there is no “inertia” on the SCS.3d because it’s a touch controller. That said, you should still be able to accomplish those kinds of techniques on it.
First thing you need to do is go into your CONTROLLER MANAGER and pull up the TSI for your device. Look for the SCRATCH message and click on it (there will be more than one, pick the first one for now). Near the bottom of the SCRATCH message settings, there will be 2 sliders for ROTARY SENSITIVITY and ROTARY ACCELERATION. You need to set these to your taste. I suggest leaving the sensitivity where it is for now and increasing the acceleration until you get the performance you’re looking for. Once you’ve found the settings you like, apply them to all 4 of the SCRATCH messages in your TSI.
The other thing you need to do is to learn how to take advantage of the multitouch capabilities of the SCS.3 controller. Watch this video to see what I am talking about…
Thanks! Yes I’ve seen that video and learned a lot about the different zones in each mode.. I plan on watching a few more times once i get the deck to respond the way I need it to..
I tried to post another reply to this thread, but im new, and none of my posts will show until they’re manually approved. Here’s the vid I attempted to post to illustrate the behavior I’m talking about. Same hardware.. but when he lets his hand off the touch sensor, the track keeps spinning. When I lift my hand, the track stops immediatly.
I was playing with rotary sensitivity and rotary acceleration in the scratch control settings, but it just seemed to speed up my platter movements significantly, while still stopping dead once I lift my hand.
Thanks! I did as you suggested and adjusted both sensitivity and acceleration on all scratch items and now it moves lightning fast when i move the platter, but still cant “push” the record.. audio stops dead as soon as my hand lifts off the touch sensor.. very frustrating
I keep the SCS3 system plugged into ac power as well, and I keep DaRouter minimized while Traktor is running.
DaRouter seems to be functioning properly and is responding to my input.
I’m using the TSI for SCS3 System from the Traktor2 Scratch Pro menu:
Glad to help, man. I’m sorry you’re having trouble, but I know no one is maintaining compatibility for the SCS controllers anymore.
It’s unfortunate that my SCS.3 set is in storage right now, but I suspect that one of the changes to the Traktor MIDI commands might be the root of this behavior. We didn’t do anything in the MT preset to create artificial platter ballistics, it was all on the Traktor end. I’m betting that we need to get rid of the SCRATCH messages and replace them with JOG TURN messages, then remap the scratch functionality by creating a modifier. Let me see if I can find someone to verify this for me.
Above and beyond as per usual!!! Won’t hold you to it, but any info you come across will be greatly appreciated.
Part of me understands that the time will come for me to move on as support for this device fades, but it’ll always have a place in my arsenal. It has such potential, even just as a midi trigger device. Being able to jump to a cue point by just gently touching the touchpad is a feeling like no other.. i don’t miss hard buttons for triggering cues.
As always, thanks a million for your help with this nem0nic! I owe you a drink, or two!
Mark has an SCS.3d that he’s trying to get rid of. I’m going to talk to him about it and see if I can get it in my hands. I think if I had hte controller here it would take me 5 minutes to actually get it remapped and working again.
OK, I got the SCS.3d and did some testing and consulting with a couple of friends and here’s what I’ve come up with. It looks like when NI changed the platter messaging and got rid of the old scratch message, the behavior of the jog turn message changed as well. The message no longer supports the trailing messaging like it used to. We also checked other touch based surfaces (like Twitch). Twitch works because they modeled the behavior for a spindown in the actual device firmware. The SCS.3 products didn’t require anything special in the firmware because the software did everything we needed.
What needs to happen is someone needs to re-write the MIDI Translator preset to support the behavior that is now missing from Traktor. This wouldn’t be trivial, and would require rewriting large portions of the preset.
So this is going to need support from Stanton to actually get fixed. I’m not sure where that’s going to land you, because I haven’t seen much activity from them in the last few years.
Sorry for the bad news, but I have my fingers crossed for you.
