Please review beatgrid and warping!! Which has the best!!
Im new to the board…so whats good DJTT!!
Im not up on the technical terms so dont flame me for it.
Im a 3+ year user of serato, 2 years of traktor, and 6 months of VDJ and Ableton.
One thing ive noticed that DVS supplied points/transients/markers,
VDJ are about 95% on point
Serato about 80%
Tracktor and Ableton about 40%
Who has the best engine/algorithm/analyzer for markers off the bat without user action and why??
Although I like beatgridding/warpping for perfection, most of the time I just like dropping a track and busting out some freestyle mixes but Ableton and Traktor are really terrible at this…for me atleast.
One thing I can think of is the actually quality of the tracks but VDJ or serato doesnt seem to have that problem.
Hoping for someone in DJTT offices picks up on this and does a video comparison pros and cons etc.
ive used traktor and itch for a while now and when it comes to beatgridding, i like Itch TONS more. The grids are correct the majority of the time and the grids are also warpable. Much better product when it comes to grids.
Yeah…those links have nothing to do with the OP’s question.
Frankly, OP, IHNFC why Live sucks so badly at it. I haven’t found Traktor to have any problems. Maybe 5% of the time, it’s way off…maybe 30% of the time, I have to move the grid a tiny bit. I’m not sure about the speeds, because I just reset them to the nearest whole number if they’re off…and except for classic house, it hasn’t backfired yet. Yay computers.
Actually, if you think Live is right 40% of the time…either you spin really different music from me or you don’t actually know how to listen for beat matching…because I have never had Live’s auto-warping be right. Not one track. And I’ve been using it for longer than it’s had an auto-warp feature.
I’ve only started using Ableton recently mostly for production work not mixing. More recently VDJ. It just impressed the hell out of me how accurate it was.
Anyone ever load up a tribal track, Almost all software are way off the mark. whats up with that?!?!!? Hope with the new version of Traktor or any software for that matter works on this.
In Traktor you can handle a lot of this by limiting the BPM parameters. The autogrids are far more often accurate if you tell Traktor ahead of time to calculate BPM within a smaller range (say 110-140 if you are throwing a bunch of house tracks at it for example). Also some of its major inaccuracies are predictable – particularly with tracks with a lot of syncopation you’ll see things like dubstep tracks at 140 gridding to 105 BPM; if you look through the track at the grid markers you often see that the grid makes logical sense even though it’s wrong. However I do see with traktor occasional problems where it’s just way off – the BPM is relatively close and the first beatcount on the autogrid is nowhere near right, sometimes even on a silent point in the song. My guess is Traktor’s formula for finding the “1” gets tripped up on certain types of songs.
Even with all this though, I don’t see how you get the figure of 40% – in Traktor I have problems with the autogrid maybe 3-5% of the time, if even that. Confirm that you are actually autogridding the tracks rather than just looking at the transients that show up when there’s no grid?
I have AWESOME results with almost every type of house music…
Has the BPM value and phrase alignment correct automatically like you guys seem to point out about 90% of the time.
I also get REALLY good results with dubstep. The BPM value itself almost 100%, but Traktor seems to find the wrong 1st beat as far as phrase alignment to the drops in the track a little more often than house here.
In DnB, Jungle, and especially Amens, as well as Breaks, Traktor falls flat on its face. Sometimes reading a COMPLETELY inaccurate BPM value (like telling me a 175 dnb track was 118 ?? wth) And it VERY rare finds the correct 1st beat for phase alignment to the climaxes in the track.
Notice I didn’t say drop? Thats right, in lots of tracks in this genre range the places that looks like they should be the drop on the waveform are not the actual climax points in the track. It is almost always possible to find the proper bpm of the track with your ear, and then use the first climax point as a reference, and backtrack using 4 bars per phrase (4 beats per bar) to the first beat in the track that is in phase with that climax, and there you are, DnB Amen totally ready for accurate mixing.
