Recording interface for Dave Smith Tetra

Recording interface for Dave Smith Tetra

Hi

I’m seriously considering buying a Dave Smith Tetra synth

I’m after advice as to which interfaces to look at in order to get the sound from the Tetra into Ableton.

I have no other analog synths (and at the price, I probably won’t be getting any more for a while) so I don’t need a stack of inputs (just enough for the Tetra).

Importantly, I want to try and keep as much of the analog sound quality as possible.

Does anyone have any experience with the Motu Microbook?

I’m looking to switch over to a Mac soon, so an Apogee Duet 2 feels a bit out of reach. I don’t have much experience with recording devices so wondering if there is anything at the $2-300 range that would keep the sound quality for me or is it just not comparable?

Thanks

I just picked up a M-Audio Fast track Pro today. Ive yet to record with it though.
Cost me $270.00 CDN

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackC400.html

Ever since I saw the Virus TI i’ve been thinking about getting a desktop midi synth…Since that was the first one I saw or even know about; i need to do more research.

Out of curiosity what makes you want the tetra? whats it really good for?

Duet 2 should do the trick

yup but thats like 700+ new and 400+used

Yeah duet 2 would be the what I’d really like - so I guess saving for that is the best option.. Was just wondering if there was anything I could get a bit sooner that was sufficient and more in my price range.

There’s a few things that really appeal to me about the Tetra.

  1. Cost - they’re a lot less that a Virus / other desktop synths

  2. Analog sound - I think I read somewhere that they’re purely analog - though Virus / other VA’s are going to have a great sound architecture too.

  3. Deep house / Techno - that’s the kind of style I’m looking to produce and I’ve read that they’re really suited to that sound. Juno 106’s were used in a lot of deep house but I hear the Tetra offers some new sounds (and is cheaper / more portable than a 106)

Really cost is a big one, at that price point it’s probably the most accessible option for me that’s suited to the sound I’m looking to produce. I saw Octave One a fortnight ago and they had a Mopho on stage so I figure I’m looking in the right direction

Do you have an interface you use for DJing? That would do the trick as well.

The Microbook doesn’t quite look like it’d cut it…just a couple inputs short.

I’m not a fan of M-Audio. I’ve never had one of their cards work well, though I’ve only tried a couple. I remember a FW 410 crashing badly on a friend a couple years ago right before a gig, and I’ve never had that happen with another audio interface. That being said, I’m short one production/recording-oriented interface since the inputs on one of my cards decided to shit themselves. I might try to get that same card from him for cheap if I don’t get a job soon (at which poing I’ll probably buy an MBox3 of some kind).

IMHO, the best quality interface you’re going to get for significantly less than the Duet 2 would be the Avid Mbox 3. I’ve read some really impressive things about them (including very promising bench tests), and I like the way they’re designed.

And it’s actually 4x4, which means you can record all 4 separate outputs of the Tetra. The Duet 2 is only 2x4, which means it can’t record all of the Tetra by itself. It’s a really limited card…it’s just really good. The MBox (mini is short on I/O, pro is above your budget) is like $350-400, I think.

The Komplete Audio 6 is probably the cheapest option. Apparently Proaudiostar might still have them for $200. For the price, it’s probably very capable.

The differences between a $200 interface and a $1000 interface definitely are worth it if you’re producing stuff for release and can afford it…but if budget is a huge concern, I doubt it’ll affect anything unless you let it.

And, yeah. If you have an interface (with enough inputs) that you use for DJing you can use 1/4" to RCA adapters to get it to work. As long as the cable runs are short, it’ll be fine.

Thanks for the replies, starting to form a clearer picture..

I have an Audio 2 DJ which I use but unfortunately offers no inputs. I was very close to buying an Audio 8 second hand, though I feel like I’d be losing some quality as it’s not designed primarily for recording..

Quality is important - through something like an Audio 8, Komplete 6 I’d feel I was losing some quality. I figure if I’m spending $500 on a synth then using an interface that loses some of that analogueness is counter-productive. It’s just a bit hard to stomach an interface that costs as much as the synth itself.

That Mbox3 looks interesting. It seems to be around $450-70 though I haven’t hunted too hard yet. At that price it’s starting to get towards the Duet 2 though as you say has the capability to record all 4 outputs of the Tetra simultaneously. In terms of building synth sounds I’m not sure how big an advantage this would be? If the Mbox is going to offer me quality that is comparable to a Duet then it is quite appealing, would it be close?

I guess at the end of it, I want to be able to capture that analogue quality. For release is my goal - at this stage it’s a hobby

I thought it was closer to $300. Sorry.

Based on everything I’ve read, yes. It’s actually good. Avid decoupled Pro Tools from their interfaces, and the result was that they started charging more for the software and made the budget interfaces not suck so they’d actually compete in the marketplace instead of being sold in droves simply because they were “that crap you had to buy to run Pro Tools LE on your laptop without carrying around a 002 that’s 3-times its size and weighs 13 pounds.”

When I’m in the market (shortly), one of the Mboxes will probably find its way to my doorstep.

From what I’ve been reading about the komplete audio 6, it looks like it might actually not suck. It’s converters aren’t as good as the Mbox or anything Apogee makes, and I’d bet it’s preamps aren’t as good. But, it also costs less than half as much and comes with some (almost) interesting software.

I was reading things on the Mbox last night and yep, read the same things about the decoupling and improvement in quality. Read quite a few positive comments and a few suggestions it was close to the Duet.

I looked at the Komplete a little ago and it does look decent, especially at that price. But a slightly higher step in quality would be nice. I might shop around and see if I can find an Mbox at a good price. I just don’t want to spend a few hundred on an interface (such as Komplete) and then be concerned about losing analog quality.

Analog doesn’t actually “have” higher quality than digital. It never did. Read about the Nyquest sampling theorem.

The only reason that I can find that Analog is preferred is because of 2 things.

  • People like specific pieces of hardware, usually in the recording world and usually limited to summing busses or compressors, 1176ln, fairchild, ssl 4000g’s master bus compressor, or specific analog boards like the ssl 4000g or some of the old emi or neve stuff.

  • People like the way specific hardware overdrives: neve mic preamps, tube guitar amps, avalon mic pres with the right tubes, etc.. But, mostly that has to do with the nonlinear, coherent clipping properties of tubes that are really hard to emulate. Solid state analog electronics usually sound like crap when used that way. And digital is actually (marginally) closer.

But, random not-special analog piece of gear vs random not-special digital piece of gear…unless you’re used to setting your levels really hot and clipping without noticing it, the only noticeable difference I’ve ever been able to find is latency, and that’s usually not a problem.

And the differences between the cards you’re talking about are very small unless NI did something weird as a marketing gimmick. Unfortunately, finding reviews online is not going to answer that question. The people with ears good enough to hear the difference and the vocabularies to articulate them…tend not to post online in a way that’s readable.

I really do wish I could find that review (with bench tests) the Mbox and Mbox Pro…just to see if he’s reviewed anything else as extensively, because I trust his ability to do bench tests and take things apart. But I don’t think I’d ever trust a review that said “this card sounded warmer than that card” or that BS, because if they’re writing that online, chances are they set them differently and don’t know it.

External hardware in ableton..? Be prepared for the Joy of Jitter. One thing to consider… You will never get 100% sync if you plan on lets say having an arp playing on your hardware and an arp in ableton… It might stay closely in sync for 4 bars.. then the jitter happens.

I have a DSI Tempest… and a Motu MK3 and there is no way to do this 100% flawless and endless AKA Live performance unless you buy an interclock system

Yeah a lot of internet opinion seems to point to good VSTs being comparable to analog. I guess I’d like to check out analog and experience producing with it. The deal I had on a tetra just fell through so that venture is on pause at the moment.

I’d like to get into some more tactile control when producing - I think a BCR2000 and some mapping would go a long way. This would allow me to “play” and record, rather than just drawing automation lines.

I’m glad you said that. I’ve been wondering whether the difference between the cards is actually noticeable or whether that extra $2-$300 doesn’t make a huge difference (especially when I don’t have professional grade mastering compressors / limters etc)

Any chance this is the review?: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2762705-Avid-Mbox-Pro-Computer-Interface-Now-with-Conclusions

I think it was the only one I came across with graphs

@djfrogstar: Nah I don’t think I really need to sync up hardware and software - really would just be using Ableton to record into and then arrange. There might be a better program for this - it’s just what I’ve been using lately. But thanks for the heads up

For that Ableton is perfect..

Sorry to quote everything. I’m not 100% sober and this helps me keep my thoughts clearer.

Are you talking about the midi clocks just going off or setting tempos and forgetting them? 'cuz setting the clock should work…though I’m sure you’d have to re-sync it after a while. And Ableton is a bit weird about midi clocks like that…it restarts the first scene when it gets a play or clock start message, which is infuriating. And AFAIK, it can’t stop and then start a midi clock without just using the transport controls.

Also, what’s an interclock? Are you talking about word clocks, because those wouldn’t have anything to do with tempo syncing.

Most VSTs I’ve heard sound at least as good once you get them dialed in. They just might not sound identical to the hardware they may or may not be emulating. They’re still good, and there’s still awesome stuff happening. Synths like Razor would be very hard to do in analog hardware, if not impossible…unless there’s more funky math going on than I’m aware of.

That’s the vast majority of the reason I want to see if I can save up for a hardware synth and most of the reason I bought Maschine, even if it has its shortcomings (I can ignore the computer a lot of the time, but still have to use it occasionally).

The weird thing is that I’d seriously consider a VA synth. I just want knobs…and I don’t want to have to map them or ever hit a page button.

At this point, I own, have owned, or have demo’d Absynth, Massive, Komplete Elements, several free soft synths, Reason 3, 4, and 5, the included synths in Logic, Ableton, and Pro Tools 7.3, the producer pack, and 10…and somehow manage to always either work off a preset (usually making it worse) or make the same like 5 sounds that I don’t like………something doesn’t work b/t me and software synths.

The one time I played with a Virus TI Desktop…I actually liked the sounds I got.

There can’t be something magic about that synth. I’m very close to buying a microkorg or scouring the city for an ms2000 rack just to see if actually having labeled knobs makes the difference I think it would.

I guess having a few BCR-2000s sitting around would help (and probably be cheaper than getting into hardware synths), but Maschine can’t use other midi controllers, which means I’d have to run Logic or PT just to use them. And, well, I hate pages. I’d probably wind up covering it in console tape and buying another one when I ran out of knobs anyway.

And something reasonable like a MicroKorg could do a lot, even if I have to scroll though pages. At least they’re labeled on the thing.

[/quote][quote=“djfrogstar, post:12, topic:35000, username:djfrogstar”]
I’m glad you said that. I’ve been wondering whether the difference between the cards is actually noticeable or whether that extra $2-$300 doesn’t make a huge difference (especially when I don’t have professional grade mastering compressors / limters etc)

Any chance this is the review?: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2762705-Avid-Mbox-Pro-Computer-Interface-Now-with-Conclusions

I think it was the only one I came across with graphs
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Yes, it was. Thank you.

And, yeah…the differences are tiny. When people say that one card sounds more “open” or “full” or that something else sounds “gritty” or “clynical”, it usually means that they suck at recording, they’re selling something, or they’re justifying a purchase to themselves.

Comparatively, the difference between 2 microphones of the same type is huge.

Really nice recording interfaces are mostly a game of features, professional appearance, and professional reliability. There are differences, but they’re small.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t think nicer stuff is worth it. I really do think an Mbox pro is worth twice as much as the normal price for a KA6. And I really do think that an Apogee Ensemble is worth more than twice that. But as for what you’re going to get out of the cards in a home studio recording maybe voice and a few synths…consider NI your “not crap” baseline and then buy to your needs/budget. And pay attention to analog vs. digital IO.

That actually caught me off guard, as the Mbox won’t record all the outs on that Tetra…2 of it’s input channels are digital, and I assumed that wasn’t the case.

If you’re recording anything acoustic (voice, drums, etc.), your choice in Microphone and Preamp matter way more than your choice in converter. If you’re just recording a synth…almost anything can do it.

There’s a reason I don’t own a dedicated recording interface. I don’t need one. I’m about to, and I’m seriously considering a Shure X2U, because it’s probably good enough for what I want (mono field recordings that are going to be processed to all hell). If I need anything serious–like voice for something I plan on releasing–I’ll book time in a recording studio. Even if I went out and bought an Ensemble today, I couldn’t afford the kind of Mic I could use for a couple bills an hour or less.

When I need to record a hardware synth, I’ll buy a converter that works well with it…and I’ll get something that’s not crap. But that very well might be a KA6 if I’m on a tight budget. I’d rather it be better and more capable, but it’d work just fine. Honestly, I’d probably buy the KA6 just because it’s cheap and wait and see what comes out for Thunderbolt and how well the bus deals with multi-channel audio and video going over the same cable, mostly because I’m terrified that Apple is going to drop firewire in the next year or so. That would really piss me off, because I’m not willing to use USB for hard drives…it’s too damn slow.

For that Ableton is perfect..[/QUOTE]

I think Pro Tools is a better choice, but that’s because I just like it better for everything except live performance, probably because their kool aid was next to Apple’s.

I agree about the aversion to mapping and pages - it’s one of the reasons I’m keen to get an analog - I just want to touch and play with something real. It’s more expensive than VSTs and not as flexible and might be some time before I’m able to get into it but I think I’d really like to try it.

If I got a BCR it would be covered in labels and probably only mapped to one VST - then it starts to become a bit exy.

I thought pretty hard about the Microkorg, might look at it again. I’m pretty keen on the Tetra at the moment just for the technoness, and I actually like the minimal design.

Nice point about the Digital I/O - I actually don’t know anything about it so it’s something I’ll have to read up on. I just looked at the Mbox, saw four inputs (that looked like they’d take 1/4") and thought it would take all 4 separately.

Yeah…they duplicate some of the inputs b/t the front and the back. It makes sense on gear that’s supposed to be rack-mounted, but not on something that’s obviously supposed to sit on a table.

That’s the one thing about them that I don’t like.