# Scratching w/ VCI-100, Turntable FX **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 19, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133 "2009-03-19T01:40:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mpetersen3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@mpetersen3](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mpetersen3)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/1 "2009-03-19T01:40:02Z")
**Scratching w/ VCI-100, Turntable FX** Anyone doing this? I don’t know how to scratch anyways, but learning isn’t easy, is anyone familiar with the turntable fx? Also it seems like the scratch sound is off, even when compared to software like ITCH, I know ITCH has specific hardware, but why does traktor do the job so badly with the VCI, but has good results with Scratch DVS? Ed. I don’t mean this to sound like I am looking to vent, just don’t understand why the jog wheels and programming of traktor fail to imitate scratching, if anyone has had any luck with it would they please let me know. ---
**Author:** ![djhipnotikk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/djhipnotikk/32/12495_2.png) [@djhipnotikk](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/djhipnotikk)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/2 "2009-03-19T02:40:25Z")
personally i think the scratching produced by the jogwheels sounds pretty good. maybe try reading up on scratch technique and try again. ---
**Author:** ![DJFAR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/djfar/32/14376_2.png) [@DJFAR](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/DJFAR)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/3 "2009-03-19T02:53:01Z")
Ya I Agree The Scratching On The Jog Wheel Works Pretty Good…if Your Trying To Learn How To Scracht Then I Suggest That You Go Pick Up A Turn Table With Some Vinyls To Get A Real Feel For It ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 9:44am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/4 "2009-03-19T09:44:04Z")
Interesting … i’m using the vci-100 FW 1.2 with the new 1\_7 tsi and i think the scratching is no where near the feel of a turntable or a cdj. I can sceratch a little bit , i’m no expert but can do the basics and make it sound ok, unfortunately though when using the VCI the sample doesnt seem to stick to a certain part of the jog wheel if you know what i mean. Basically if i quickly moved the jog bacwards and forwards between 2 exact points i feel that teh sample will drift making it near impossible to scratch. If i’m doing something wrong with settings etc then i woudl love to know as getting a good scratch feeling with the VCI would just make my day the vci would become to my house what the big god / jesus / whatever figure at the front of a church / place of worship / whatever is. I hope someoen is going to come along and solution this for me , would make my day 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![KLOSELINE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kloseline/32/16163_2.png) [@KLOSELINE](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/KLOSELINE)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 10:26am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/5 "2009-03-19T10:26:39Z")
yea i think if you want to learn scratching you have to star off with the real deal. i started with a controller and it just didnt work, now after i got my hands on turntables and knw at least a bit what its abaout it also works on midi controllers ---
**Author:** ![Kupujte\_Pytle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kupujte_pytle/32/12728_2.png) [@Kupujte\_Pytle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kupujte_Pytle)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/6 "2009-03-19T11:50:14Z")
now this is a topic for some fine article or vid, ain’t that right? ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/7 "2009-03-19T14:05:16Z")
not sure about a vid , maybe just an idea as to the best tsi for scratch purposes 🙂 edit … infact scrap that maybe an idea of what settings to tweak to get it sorted for our own scratch styles or capabilities. I see a jog wheel sensetivity thing on teh backl of the vci but is that just for how much you need to touch it before it registers your touchings 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DvlsAdvct](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/dvlsadvct/32/15020_2.png) [@DvlsAdvct](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/DvlsAdvct)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:12pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/8 "2009-03-19T14:12:59Z")
I don’t think you guys are reading the question right. I don’t think he’s talking about just scratching, but using the Turntable FX in the effect section for scratching. ---
**Author:** ![Morbido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/morbido/32/13979_2.png) [@Morbido](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Morbido)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/9 "2009-03-19T14:13:17Z")
yeah, i’d really like to see some decent scratches on traktor! i got a vci-300 and i can scratch a little bit, it works fine with itch (tbh i even think it’s easier with itch than with real tt’s - at least it’s easer to learn and to track your moves) but when i switch to traktor the whole mess starts… traktor slows down the track if you “let it go” - you scratch a bit and then lift your hands off, then traktor slows down a bit and then speeds up - it feels a bit like some crappy tt’s (i know what i’m talking about - got some of them at home 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![mpetersen3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@mpetersen3](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mpetersen3)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/10 "2009-03-19T15:39:48Z")
@ Dvls I was kinda asking about both, but more about scratching than the turntable fx, sorry if I was unclear. I feel like the scratching sound is much too high pitched and also that the samples definitely do drift, is this due to the limitations of the midi signal coming from the jogwheel, I can understand some drift, but I feel like this is very profound and having used a vci-300 with itch (briefly) I don’t recall seeing it much there. Is the VCI-100 using 16 bit midi now with traktor, if not can we get it to do so with bomes or something (I am very uneducated on this topic, hope I don’t sound like an idiot). ---
**Author:** ![DvlsAdvct](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/dvlsadvct/32/15020_2.png) [@DvlsAdvct](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/DvlsAdvct)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/11 "2009-03-19T15:53:12Z")
Oh, well, my apologies for misunderstanding, mpetersen 🙂 The DJTT guys are diligently working on a firmware update to the VCI-100 to allow it to send and receive 14-bit MIDI signals. This doesn’t matter right now as Traktor 1.1.1 only receives 14-bit MIDI signals on faders, not jog wheels. Hopefully in a new update that will be fixed. But no, this can’t be fixed in Bomes. The drift on the samples I think has been discussed on the forum. A few searches might turn something up. ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/12 "2009-03-19T15:56:45Z")
> [@DvlsAdvct](#): > > . > > The drift on the samples I think has been discussed on the forum. A few searches might turn something up. I understand this to be called sticker drift but a search doesnt come up trumps unfortunately 😞 ---
**Author:** ![DvlsAdvct](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/dvlsadvct/32/15020_2.png) [@DvlsAdvct](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/DvlsAdvct)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/13 "2009-03-19T16:07:27Z")
> [@MisterMoleyMole](#): > > I understand this to be called sticker drift but a search doesnt come up trumps unfortunately 😞 This thread is the only one, but it relates mainly to T3, not TPro. I think it might be a good idea, though, the make sure you have the most updated TSI for TPro. Also, try playing with the sensitivity and acceleration settings until they fit for you. It’s a pain in the ass, but to get this stuff to work the way want always is. ---
**Author:** ![MisterMoleyMole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/mistermoleymole/32/12910_2.png) [@MisterMoleyMole](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MisterMoleyMole)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/14 "2009-03-19T16:42:59Z")
> [@DvlsAdvct](#): > > This thread is the only one, but it relates mainly to T3, not TPro. I think it might be a good idea, though, the make sure you have the most updated TSI for TPro. Also, try playing with the sensitivity and acceleration settings until they fit for you. It’s a pain in the ass, but to get this stuff to work the way want always is. Yup found that one .. the sensetivity and acceleration settings .. ok this sounds fun will give this a go 🙂 Cheers 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Morbido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/morbido/32/13979_2.png) [@Morbido](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Morbido)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/15 "2009-03-19T16:51:19Z")
nop, vci-100 is using standard 7-bit midi, the vci-300 is using 14-bit midi. you can’t change that in bomes, only via a firmware upgrade, but the word is here that the amazing DJTT crew is working on a 14-bit enabling firmware update for the vci-100 🙂 i really don’t want to break your hopes, but: i used the vci-300 with itch and compared that to the vci-300 with traktor - scratching simply sucks in traktor (without DVS)! 14-bit midi doesn’t help even a little bit! seems to me like some software thingy… edit: damn, sorry guys… was answering to mpetersen and while i was typing 4 other posts appeared 🙂 guess i should train my writing skills 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mpetersen3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@mpetersen3](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mpetersen3)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/16 "2009-03-19T16:58:52Z")
why is it that the dvs systems sound great in traktor, but the jog wheels can’t compare, you would think that the programmers could write an app to better simulate the spin up/spin down on a technics 1200 since this is pretty much the standard and should be uniform vel/acc in all cases, with user variance to that data. I wonder if this is too intensive to run accurately with low latency with the computer computing the motion of the table and pitching the song also, but given some of the other stuff traktor does it seems really weak, I guess it is a low priority, although ITCH does this. It should be higher though, because this is a really weak spot for traktor, probably there aren’t a lot of people using traktor and not using DVS who would scratch. In fact it probably helps them to keep jog wheel functionality weaker since that means people who want to scratch will use DVS and pay them more to do so. However the people with VCI-300 on ITCH are a small niche that NI is losing out on. Ed. I guess to sum up in a question: Is it not worthwhile fiscally for NI due to it affecting only a small group of people, low on their priorities, or technologically not possible atm? Or some combo of all 3? damn where is Karlos, tell him to swallow his tea and crumpets and weigh in already! ---
**Author:** ![Bodega\_Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/bodega_brad/32/15287_2.png) [@Bodega\_Brad](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Bodega_Brad)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/17 "2009-03-19T17:20:30Z")
I’m scratching just fine. TPro 1.1.1, firmware 1.2. I mean, it’s no 1200, but there are plenty of tsi’s out there that make scratching with the wheels decent. In another thread, I even asked Jes C how to emulate the brake similar to the Tech’s. Here’s the thread I was checking: > **[VCI-100+Traktor Pro tsi - no SE overlay required](https://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=2868&highlight=vci-100%2Bscratching)** > > Hey > > First off, DJ TT is the nuts! I've taken so much from this site i wanted to give something back > > I've created a tsi for VCI -100 with Traktor Pro that requires no overlay. I mix deep house and disco redit stuff (Greg Wilson, Lindstrom etc)... ---
**Author:** ![mpetersen3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@mpetersen3](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mpetersen3)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/18 "2009-03-19T19:30:21Z")
who is the tech’s? ---
**Author:** ![kidfromkibbly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kidfromkibbly/32/14870_2.png) [@kidfromkibbly](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/kidfromkibbly)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/19 "2009-03-19T20:49:33Z")
Technics 1200s ---
**Author:** ![Bodega\_Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/bodega_brad/32/15287_2.png) [@Bodega\_Brad](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Bodega_Brad)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133/20 "2009-03-19T21:42:31Z")
> [@kidfromkibbly](#): > > Technics 1200s Yes, thanks…sorry.😃 [Next page](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/scratching-w-vci-100-turntable-fx/3133.md?page=2)