# Some serious controllerism hate
**URL:** https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112
**Category:** General Discussion
**Tags:** sync
**Created:** [June 22, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112 "2011-06-22T04:57:33Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Publicservice](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Publicservice)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/1 "2011-06-22T04:57:33Z")
**Some serious controllerism hate**
So im browsing around the forums on Resident Advisor and I end up in the general discussion part. Now I dont normally go in there because I use RA strictly for music but I found a thread in there with some serious hate in it. To spare you from clicking heres what it said:
"_Since the advent of the dreaded laptop sync selector there’s obviously a lot more time on the dj’s hands. After he’s selected the next tune from his hard drive, checked his emails and updated his Facebook status there’s not much else to do apart from stand and wait. Cue effects. These things are a god send for the syncers – a great time filler. Piddling around endlessly with delays, flangers, filters etc makes the whole experience much more bearable, and it even looks like you’re actually doing something._
_The equipment manufacturers have obviously picked up on the growing demand for things to fill the time that was originally allotted to matching the speed of two records. So effect controllers are the order of the day - flashy knobs and a multitude of zany sound manipulations all at your fingertips._
_Well guess what guys? Leave the controller alone. In fact, smash your controller over your laptop and then smash your laptop over your head until you banish any ambition to ever set foot behind a dj console. Dance music wasn’t meant to be tampered with like this. It takes a lot of time, effort and love to make – all for you to ruin it like a demented monkey with OCD. Conserve your energy (and a possible chronic RSI condition from your twiddling) and redirect it to using your laptop for something more appropriate, like looking up porn._
_So please spar us – we’re not all converted to your mindless idiocy yet. Some of us can see through the façade that by barraging us with endless delays and filters will shield your complete and utter incompetence._ "
If you want to see the thread here it is:
[http://www.residentadvisor.net/forum-read.aspx?id=144769](http://www.residentadvisor.net/forum-read.aspx?id=144769)
Now I’m very aware that theres people against controllers but being a bedroom dj for the most part I dont really get exposed to them and this is the first time im seeing full out hate against it. Im a little taken back on how ignorant some of the things said in here are. what do you guys have to say?
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### Author:  [@wrong\_chris](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/wrong_chris)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 5:15am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/2 "2011-06-22T05:15:01Z")
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ItoRxdgF38Q?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque
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### Author:  [@Belmont\_1](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Belmont_1)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/3 "2011-06-22T05:25:53Z")
There are plenty of big DJ’s out there who only beat match songs and then stand or dance around behind the decks. I learned how to beat match on vinyl, moved to CDJ’s, and now I’m using Traktor. And honestly… I’m glad I don’t have to worry about beat matching any more. It allows me to focus on more important things, like presentation, making the mix more interesting, and doing fun things with controllers.
Besides, there are people out in the audience who don’t dance to the music and just stand around watching the DJ. Might as well give them something to watch. 😛
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### Author:  [@MuzicFreq](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MuzicFreq)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 6:01am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/4 "2011-06-22T06:01:10Z")
because people who also produce as well as dj dont use effects or juggle between cue points…_COUGH_ Armin does this all the time, though not as in depth as say someone doing it with a zillion cue points and 4 decks (REALLY limited on it on cdj1000-2000) and he also uses delay quite a bit as well as filters.
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### Author:  [@Kiino](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kiino)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 7:11am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/5 "2011-06-22T07:11:15Z")
I believe controllers add more livelyness to a DJ’s performance. although im not one to sync up songs and would prefer to beatmatch i have to admit its fun “remixing” the tracks. I think controllers are a fine addition to the many tools a DJ can muster and all this hate is just plain close mindedness.
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### Author:  [@Belmont\_1](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Belmont_1)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 7:39am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/6 "2011-06-22T07:39:33Z")
In the end it’s all up to the DJ how he wants to play the music. Whether it be letting the music speak for itself, or taking your favorite tracks and turning it into a blended, glitchy, complicated performance, it’s all personal preference. There is no right or wrong choice.
That’s not to say there aren’t people who are just terrible at it, though. lol
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### Author:  [@Sherlock\_Ohms](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Sherlock_Ohms)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 8:29am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/7 "2011-06-22T08:29:03Z")
tbh - that ain’t that bad. the OP is a tit, but he seems to be the exception in that thread …
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### Author:  [@dj\_stifffy](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/dj_stifffy)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 8:55am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/8 "2011-06-22T08:55:49Z")
That was a fun read… I always thought f1 had an auto pilot 😮, 95% of people dont even care or know what the dj is using or how, the other 5% are prob djs them selves which if theyre going to give out… My thought is why arent they up there instead?? Not good enough at beat matching i chink soww
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### Author:  [@zykill](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/zykill)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 9:05am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/9 "2011-06-22T09:05:26Z")
> [@dj\_stifffy](#):
>
> My thought is why arent they up there instead?? Not good enough at beat matching i chink soww
At the end of the day a monkey would suffice for some of the DJ-Jobs and what is required for them. First come, first eat but not actual skill is needed IMO. All this counts for mix-dj-ing of any genre…
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### Author:  [@dj\_stifffy](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/dj_stifffy)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 9:08am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/10 "2011-06-22T09:08:22Z")
Waddup bruh, but dah mane ting is, is dat tis all bout song selection if u as got dah songs 2 rock de floor den who cares phow you is doing it if dey be dropped at right times…
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### Author:  [@sarasin](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sarasin)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 9:43am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/11 "2011-06-22T09:43:47Z")
BAH!
..Ignorance…he has not tried remixing on the fly…or is not a fan of it.
Shame…leave him to his Vinyls…(If he has CDJ’s…fuck him…he is a liar…he too uses SYNC!..its PISS to beatmatch on CDJ’s…) and old mixer.
He is clearly too cool to be with the times…
As soon as I hear this …i think ignorance.
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### Author:  [@dj\_stifffy](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/dj_stifffy)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 10:12am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/12 "2011-06-22T10:12:42Z")
The poor dude is prob annoyed because he spent thousands on 1200s a mixer and vinyl and carried that shit from gig to gig for years and now a 12 year old with dads laptop, keyboard mapping cracked traktor and ripped music can pull off the old dudes set much cleaner and hassle free 😉
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### Author:  [@Yul](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Yul)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 10:30am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/13 "2011-06-22T10:30:53Z")
Actually he’s right in a sense. Some people do think that playing with a LOT of Fx is the way to go, but then most of the time it isn’t really (without saying it’s always applied with good taste or with the right timing). More isn’t better.
[quote]There are plenty of big DJ’s out there who only beat match songs and then stand or dance around behind the decks.[/quote] Hopefully being a good dj doesn’t mean you have especially technically skilled as it’s more about selection, mix phrasing, crowd control, etc… If you can do that AND have technical skills, great of course.
[quote]Whether it be letting the music speak for itself, or taking your favorite tracks and turning it into a blended, glitchy, complicated performance, it’s all personal preference. There is no right or wrong choice.
That’s not to say there aren’t people who are just terrible at it, though. lol
[/quote] Best balanced commentary so far.
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### Author:  [@sarasin](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sarasin)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 10:34am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/14 "2011-06-22T10:34:50Z")
> [@Yul](#):
>
> Actually he’s right in a sense. Some people do think that playing with a LOT of Fx is the way to go, but then most of the time it isn’t really (without saying it’s always applied with good taste or with the right timing). More isn’t better.
>
> Hopefully being a good dj doesn’t mean you have especially technically skilled as it’s more about selection, mix phrasing, crowd control, etc… If you can do that AND have technical skills, great of course.
>
> Best balanced commentary so far.
yeah agreed!
But he is got blinkers on.
he is only seeing the sync cheaters…
Send him a link for DJ Inferno…or Richie Hawtin…
THATS what sync allows you to do…DOOOOFUS!
😉
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### Author:  [@Cybertrash](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Cybertrash)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/15 "2011-06-22T10:46:27Z")
> [@dj\_stifffy](#):
>
> The poor dude is prob annoyed because he spent thousands on 1200s a mixer and vinyl and carried that shit from gig to gig for years and now a 12 year old with dads laptop, keyboard mapping cracked traktor and ripped music can pull off the old dudes set much cleaner and hassle free 😉
I can understand him, it must be a frustrating feeling.
I was very recently introduced to the world of DJing, and have so far only been practicing beatmatching using Mixxx on my computer (controller takes ages to arrive in stock at the store). When I first started asking about DJing on various sites, the responses I got was almost exclusively in the vein of “Learn to beatmatch or die”.
Then I found this place (thanks to a friend who loves all things MIDI). Here, the opinion seems to be the opposite. “Beatmatching is only a means to an end, focus on making your mix sound good instead” is a sentiment I’ve often seen repeated around these forums.
This leaves me in a somewhat conflicted position. One one hand, I feel that beatmatching isn’t the only thing a DJ should be doing, that beatmatching is “a means to an end”. On the other hand, I cannot help but feel that having the computer sync your songs for you is “cheating” to a certain extent. Now, I’m not here to hate on people using syncing, all the power to you, you’re in all likelihood better DJs than me anyhow, but personally, even though I’m using a controller & computer, I will try to learn beatmatching.
(Also, yay first post! \o/ )
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### Author:  [@3heads](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/3heads)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 10:48am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/16 "2011-06-22T10:48:07Z")
> [@Yul](#):
>
> Actually he’s right in a sense. Some people do think that playing with a LOT of Fx is the way to go, but then most of the time it isn’t really (without saying it’s always applied with good taste or with the right timing). More isn’t better.
>
> Hopefully being a good dj doesn’t mean you have especially technically skilled as it’s more about selection, mix phrasing, crowd control, etc… If you can do that AND have technical skills, great of course.
Yes, that’s actually a thing which annoys me a bit about the DJTT blog (and also this forum sometimes). I mean all those super-fancy FX transitions might(!) sound nice once, but are very easy to overuse (twice in a set is probably too much already). And more often than not FX and stuff will probably not improve the track that you’re playing. So, I don’t really see the point in a Midi Fighter (and am therefore confused that it’s suggested in virtually every one of the myriads of “what controller should I buy?”-threads).
To me all that hocus-pocus about “more creative mixing” and stuff is mostly nonsense. It’s about playing good music which fits well together. If you want to add more “creativity” (btw, is it actually creative replicating fancy transitions from a DJTT tutorial vid? _justsayin_) because there’s more free time due to using sync, then do it, but don’t let that have an impact on the important things and/or ruin the tracks you’re playing (and chances are, you will).
My 2 cents…
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### Author:  [@sarasin](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sarasin)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 10:52am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/17 "2011-06-22T10:52:49Z")
Well..these FX tricks are to be part of your arsenal of weapons.
Not to be used constantly.
The same for a DJ who scratches. He can not scratch all set long…would sound shit!
You gotta know when to do it with STYLE!
THATS the difference between the 2.
Noobs and cheaters of sync will go banana’s…inexperienced…
Old DJ’s…that have been at it a while…will know the above fact…and use it like that.
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### Author:  [@sarasin](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/sarasin)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 10:53am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/18 "2011-06-22T10:53:21Z")
I mean…flare!..do it!
But keep it tight…showing off too much will fuck the flow of the set.
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### Author:  [@dj\_stifffy](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/dj_stifffy)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 11:09am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/19 "2011-06-22T11:09:36Z")
It is better to master one effect and no to use it well then to try tomuse all effects and make a train wreck… Delay freeze ftw but i use mine purely like a loop 😮
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### Author:  [@3heads](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/3heads)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 11:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/some-serious-controllerism-hate/26112/20 "2011-06-22T11:14:49Z")
> [@sarasin](#):
>
> Well..these FX tricks are to be part of your arsenal of weapons.
>
> Not to be used constantly.
>
> The same for a DJ who scratches. He can not scratch all set long…would sound shit!
>
> You gotta know when to do it with STYLE!
>
> THATS the difference between the 2.
>
> Noobs and cheaters of sync will go banana’s…inexperienced…
>
> Old DJ’s…that have been at it a while…will know the above fact…and use it like that.
Sure, but it’s a point not nearly stressed enough, especially when figuring in that DJTT does attract lots of people just starting out. And the results of this can be observed in many threads in this forum 😉
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