# Standalone mixer controller? **URL:** \ **Category:** Hardware: Controllers, Mods and Gear\ **Created:** [March 22, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625 "2012-03-22T01:53:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![faderswagger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@faderswagger](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/faderswagger)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/1 "2012-03-22T01:53:21Z")
**Standalone mixer controller?** I cannot believe I can’t find this… Does anyone know of ANY midi controller modelled after a mixer, that has a built in sound card? I want to just get a Behringer CMD- MM1 when they come out, but it doesn’t have a sound card, so I’d have to get an Audio-6… Is there a SINGLE other mixer controller with outputs? ---
**Author:** ![photojojo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/photojojo/32/14618_2.png) [@photojojo](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/photojojo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/2 "2012-03-22T02:25:22Z")
Native Instruments S4, Vestax VCI-400 and Denon DNMC6000. Do you want to do something specific that those dont do? ---
**Author:** ![kamjongill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kamjongill/32/15213_2.png) [@kamjongill](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/kamjongill)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 2:29am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/3 "2012-03-22T02:29:28Z")
^^yea, but I think he’s looking for something cheaper, because the one he was about to buy was like $150. The ones you mentioned are all at or around a grand. ---
**Author:** ![deevey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/deevey/32/10758_2.png) [@deevey](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/deevey)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/4 "2012-03-22T03:38:02Z")
You’ll be outlaying a pretty penny for something like the MM with a sound card. Korg Zero4 Denon X1600 Ecler Evo Allen and Heath DB4/2 Pioneer DJM900 I would say the Xone DX if you manage to get a deal, 20ch sound card and A&H goodness, the price seems to have gotten high again though. Cheapest of the bunch is probably the American Audio DV2 USB - 2 channel mixer with sound card and midi > [@](#): > > Native Instruments S4, Vestax VCI-400 and Denon DNMC6000 If he’s looking at the MM1 I’m guessing he’s not really looking for a DJ controller more a mixer (or he could go with the CMD Studio 4a for $299) ---
**Author:** ![faderswagger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@faderswagger](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/faderswagger)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/5 "2012-03-22T03:58:05Z")
Thanks Deevey, that’s pretty much all I was able to find too. Why doesn’t this seem to exist? This seems crazy to me. There are $200 all in-in one controllers that have sound cards. All I want is that minus the deck controls. I’m figuring out what my set up will be when the Kontrol F1 and Midifighter 3D come out. What I want is a F1 or MF3D (haven’t decided yet) on either side of a mixer… but I think it’s stupid that I’d have to purchase and carry around a sound card as well. Has nobody ever found a need for this before? Seriously, my best idea right now is buying a CMD- MM1 when it comes out, and modding an Audio 6 into the case, if it’ll fit… ---
**Author:** ![oliosky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9adbd/32.png) [@oliosky](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/oliosky)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/6 "2012-03-22T03:58:06Z")
American audio make this ![02530500.jpg](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/techtools/original/3X/8/1/8114cb9ae0388354ab168dde3446c4e31da66574.jpeg) > **[ADJ](https://www.adj.com/?Category=Mixers&ItemNumber=1468&MainId=&domain=adjaudio&type=product)** > > ADJ ---
**Author:** ![no\_rex4u](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@no\_rex4u](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/no_rex4u)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/7 "2012-03-22T04:24:40Z")
the vms4 is a full mixer, and 4 deck controller. and 8x8 interface and i happen to be selling mine in perfect condition for $350 ---
**Author:** ![Kaek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Kaek](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kaek)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/8 "2012-03-22T09:14:11Z")
I’m not sure of the potential popularity of such a device… I mean what you appear to be asking for is A midi controller with a built in sound card for… software mixing? with no transport controls or deck controls? You are better off just buying a cheap midi controller with built in sound card. Vestax typhoon, mixtrack pro etc and just ignore the jog wheels. ---
**Author:** ![synthet1c](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/synthet1c/32/14071_2.png) [@synthet1c](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/synthet1c)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 10:30am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/9 "2012-03-22T10:30:03Z")
**XONE:K2** if you want a micro setup, It has an inbuilt 4 out soundcard (master & headphones), no crossfader “but crossfaders are for scratch dj’s and noobs imo”, there is three layers, so you could use it for a two channel mixer with advanced transport, a four channel mixer with basic transport, and a sampler all in the one device, you could map it any other way but that’s what I’m going to do with it. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/techtools/original/3X/3/c/3c671e37508f5ccbd59d5dcab82190254828667e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![photojojo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/photojojo/32/14618_2.png) [@photojojo](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/photojojo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 11:31am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/10 "2012-03-22T11:31:36Z")
> [@synthet1c](#): > > **XONE:K2** if you want a micro setup, It has an inbuilt 4 out soundcard (master & headphones), no crossfader “but crossfaders are for scratch dj’s and noobs imo”, there is three layers, so you could use it for a two channel mixer with advanced transport, a four channel mixer with basic transport, and a sampler all in the one device, you could map it any other way but that’s what I’m going to do with it. > > ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/techtools/original/3X/3/c/3c671e37508f5ccbd59d5dcab82190254828667e.jpeg) That’s what I was thinking after my post. ---
**Author:** ![synthet1c](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/synthet1c/32/14071_2.png) [@synthet1c](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/synthet1c)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/11 "2012-03-22T12:05:36Z")
I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup. ---
**Author:** ![Maxted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@Maxted](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Maxted)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 12:29pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/12 "2012-03-22T12:29:12Z")
> [@synthet1c](#): > > I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup. Don’t quite get this..a stand alone midi fader to control the software crossfader? Because surely theres no way you could have a crossfader between inputs using the k2 soundcard, like an actual audio fader. So there would be a market for literally one really nice linear fader sending midi to clamp to the k2? ---
**Author:** ![dripstep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/dripstep/32/15184_2.png) [@dripstep](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/dripstep)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/13 "2012-03-22T13:43:16Z")
4 channels, you don’t need a crossfader. All you need is the volume faders. If anyone is going to use a standalone crossfader, its a scratcher. And they have a mixer. OT The VMS4.1 fixed a lot of the bugs from the VMS4, but its heavy ---
**Author:** ![faderswagger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@faderswagger](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/faderswagger)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/14 "2012-03-23T03:09:48Z")
What is all the crossfader hate about? No way… crossfader is crucial to me and I’m not a scratcher. There are lots of instances where i need to change the master mix rapidly with only one hand. Cue point juggling, for one. How possible do you think it would be to mod a crossfader into the same midi device as the K2? ---
**Author:** ![oliosky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9adbd/32.png) [@oliosky](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/oliosky)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/15 "2012-03-23T03:17:51Z")
> [@dripstep](#): > > 4 channels, you don’t need a crossfader. All you need is the volume faders. If anyone is going to use a standalone crossfader, its a scratcher. And they have a mixer. > > OT > The VMS4.1 fixed a lot of the bugs from the VMS4, but its heavy What bollocks. If you mix anything other than 4 to the floor stuff you know that a crossfader is a great mixing tool to transition odd syncopation, atmospheric sections and combined with some effects it can add help add some wild manipulation of sound. Plus its essential for anyone who adds a few stabs when they are mixing all the way to next level alien communication scratching and shit. ---
**Author:** ![synthet1c](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/synthet1c/32/14071_2.png) [@synthet1c](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/synthet1c)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 3:30am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/16 "2012-03-23T03:30:21Z")
no space… you would have to remove a few buttons to fit one, but my statement about noobs using the crossfader stands, 90% of the time cuepoint juggling sounds like a bad joke… Don’t want to start a war, but that’s my opinion on the matter… On the other matter I would think the standalone crossfader would have 4 in and 4 out analog line connections that you put between your output of the TT/cdj/soundcard and the mixer input and be a usb midi controller at the same time, I actually think it would be a good idea when you are playing at a club that doesn’t have a rane already setup… It’s not really commercially viable unless your audio innovative as the crossfader is the most expensive part… ---
**Author:** ![zestoi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/zestoi/32/13946_2.png) [@zestoi](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/zestoi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 8:33am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/17 "2012-03-23T08:33:53Z")
personally i need/want jogs as well as a crossfader, so that’s two potential wars right there 😉 jogs have to come from extra controllers and i wouldn’t want them in the K2 anyway but i would miss not having a cross fader… i find i don’t use it a lot of the time, but there’s times when it is really useful and the only alternative is munging two line faders at the same time to get the same effect. some kind of addon crossfader with some deck select buttons would be cool… ---
**Author:** ![Majo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Majo](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Majo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/18 "2012-03-24T20:49:40Z")
i really love my m-audio x-session pro, you can buy it dirt cheap if you get the torq mixlab pack ![1051549091_dcbdd9592e.jpg](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/techtools/original/3X/d/5/d56fab6b808f40767d1daf3131ed6ba2a08d4236.jpeg) light but hard plastic construction, good usb m-audio driver, the volume faders are a little hard but the crossfader is smooth the xone k2 is nice but no crossfader is fail, other mixer midi controllers can be faderfox ones, the behringer ddm mixer, and the new behringer controller [http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CMD-MM-1.aspx](http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CMD-MM-1.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![Majo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Majo](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Majo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/19 "2012-03-24T20:51:15Z")
> [@synthet1c](#): > > I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup. that can be a nice project ---
**Author:** ![zestoi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/zestoi/32/13946_2.png) [@zestoi](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/zestoi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625/20 "2012-03-24T20:58:29Z")
> [@Majo](#): > > i really love my m-audio x-session pro, you can buy it dirt cheap if you get the torq mixlab pack i’d often thought about picking up one of these if the price was right. no soundcard tho i guess? which the OP was asking for. i ended up getting a very cheap djtech djm101 for 20quid in the end. couldn’t say no at that price. > [@Majo](#): > > that can be a nice project yup… in fact any cheapo game controller should work ok as the brain with a linear fader soldered onto it. [Next page](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/standalone-mixer-controller/39625.md?page=2)