# Untitled question. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** mixer, dvs, tsp-2, time-control, scratch-certified-mixer\ **Created:** [April 13, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740 "2012-04-13T14:30:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MyUsername\_2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/myusername_2/32/14670_2.png) [@MyUsername\_2](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MyUsername_2)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/1 "2012-04-13T14:30:15Z")
**Untitled question.** So I was at the store today to see if I could still upgrade to traktor scratch pro in a digital way. But all the software discs can’t be sold because not that long ago scumbag NI was all like: “Sup brah, I heard you like time code vinyl software, so we bundled a soundcard with your software, brah, and that’s the way it’s gonna stay, brah.” _ **Question 1:** _\_\_ And I was about to buy a nice awesome scratch certified mixer, but that seems a bit pointless now. Or can you use an A6 for channels decks A&B and the internal soundcard for decks C&D ?? _ **Question 2:** _\_\_ Also with an external soundcard providing all the necessary soundcard goodness can you recommend another good mixer perhaps ? I was really fond of the Korg Zero 4 because it’s got a -4 channel soundcard -sends and recieves midi -dedicated effects per channel and aditional effects on the master out -a gazillion (fictional number) EQ types -lots of channel modes such as audio, midi, hybrid midi & audio -A VU-meter that actually is helpful to look at (I’m looking at you S4) -… I can have one sent to me for €599 or $787 Does anybody know of a mixer that does all of the above even better and is cheaper or is in roughly the same price range ? A quick glance at the allen & heath website tells me a xone won’t be good alternative, sadly. Also don’t bother with suggesting pioneer mixers, I dislike pioneer products. ---
**Author:** ![lethal\_pizzle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/lethal_pizzle/32/11770_2.png) [@lethal\_pizzle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/lethal_pizzle)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/2 "2012-04-13T15:08:28Z")
> [@myusername](#): > > scumbag NI “Scumbag NI” are still selling certified upgrade kits “brah”. And they seem to have knocked 60% off the price - yup, complete scumbags. ---
**Author:** ![MyUsername\_2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/myusername_2/32/14670_2.png) [@MyUsername\_2](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MyUsername_2)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/3 "2012-04-13T15:30:30Z")
> [@lethal\_pizzle](#): > > “Scumbag NI” are still selling certified upgrade kits “brah”. > And they seem to have knocked 60% off the price - yup, complete scumbags. I don’t really hate NI, I could never stay mad at them. And yes some things have dropped in price, but the thing is I want to buy the software AND ONLY the software, now I need to pay for a soundcard wether I want it or not. and selling certified scratch upgrade kits as in scratch certified ? Well I’m buying the mixer from a legit store but it’s used so it comes without traktor, additional software is available for free on the Korg website if I decide to get the korg. So that’s not going to be able to help me. ---
**Author:** ![lethal\_pizzle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/lethal_pizzle/32/11770_2.png) [@lethal\_pizzle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/lethal_pizzle)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/4 "2012-04-13T15:45:39Z")
> [@myusername](#): > > the thing is I want to buy the software AND ONLY the software, now I need to pay for a soundcard wether I want it or not. At the risk of repeating myself, **NI are still selling certified upgrade kits and they seem to have knocked 60% off the price** - they are 99 euros or some such, come with ‘software, control vinyls, control CDs’. [http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/dj/traktor-kontrol-s4/software-timecode-kit/](http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/dj/traktor-kontrol-s4/software-timecode-kit/) ---
**Author:** ![MyUsername\_2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/myusername_2/32/14670_2.png) [@MyUsername\_2](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MyUsername_2)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/5 "2012-04-13T16:05:19Z")
> [@lethal\_pizzle](#): > > At the risk of repeating myself, **NI are still selling certified upgrade kits and they seem to have knocked 60% off the price** - they are 99 euros or some such, come with ‘software, control vinyls, control CDs’. [http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/dj/traktor-kontrol-s4/software-timecode-kit/](http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/dj/traktor-kontrol-s4/software-timecode-kit/) I have also seen that, but when the mixer I intend(ed) to buy DOES NOT come with software to upgrade, will that work ? Seems crazy to upgrade software you don’t have. But if you’re right about this then that’s awesome. FYI: I don’t want to S4 upgrade kit because I don’t want to remain tied to my S4 (The S4 upgrade kit only works with the S4 as you may or may not know.) ---
**Author:** ![lethal\_pizzle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/lethal_pizzle/32/11770_2.png) [@lethal\_pizzle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/lethal_pizzle)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/6 "2012-04-13T16:36:29Z")
TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2 SOFTWARE & TIMECODE KIT\* Only $119 USD / 99 € when upgrading your S4, **mixer** or audio interface to a Digital Vinyl System If you’re using one of the products listed below, you can easily transform your setup into a fully-fledged TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2 with Remix Decks™ system for spinning music files with super-tight vinyl / CD control. QUALIFYING PRODUCTS Available for users of: AUDIO 4 DJ AUDIO 8 DJ TRAKTOR AUDIO 6 TRAKTOR AUDIO 10 TRAKTOR KONTROL S4 **“TRAKTOR SCRATCH Certified Mixer”** Certified DJ mixers have the following characteristics: Allow direct hook-up with a computer, without the need for a separate audio interface **Entitle owner to purchase the ‘TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2 SOFTWARE AND TIMECODE KIT’ (software, control vinyl and CDs) – see above!** Plug-and-play TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO 2 with Remix Decks configuration files are available for MIDI enabled mixers * * * I hope I’m right - the NI website doesn’t like IE6 so I’m going off a week old text-cache ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/patch/32/118_2.png) [@Patch](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/7 "2012-04-13T16:58:26Z")
I saw TSP2 w/A10 on an American site today $399. That is HELLA cheap. ---
**Author:** ![MyUsername\_2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/myusername_2/32/14670_2.png) [@MyUsername\_2](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MyUsername_2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/8 "2012-04-17T14:55:47Z")
So I contacted my favorite DJ store about this and they said either get a scratch certified mixer from us with TSP 2 included or if you want to use the Korg Zero 4, you have to get the full version, in other words an Audio 6. FYI:I won’t get a mixer from them, they wanted me to get a DJM-T1 w/TSP2 for 999 and I said hell no, that seems a terrible deal, and I already bought the korg, it should ship this week. **Now I’m still not sure who’s right.** _Either the store 's right_ OR _the store wants to misinform me to make more money and lethal\_pizzle was right and all I need is that timecode kit._ And if you’re wondering the store is very familiar with NI and traktor and the salesmen know their stuff. ---
**Author:** ![geminimech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/geminimech/32/14511_2.png) [@geminimech](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/geminimech)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/9 "2012-04-17T15:22:05Z")
All you need is the timecode kit. Edit: Send NI an e-mail and have them confirm it for you, if you really really just don’t know who to believe 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dual\_citizen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/dual_citizen/32/12397_2.png) [@dual\_citizen](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/dual_citizen)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/10 "2012-04-17T17:46:29Z")
The Korg Zero 4 is a… > [@lethal\_pizzle](#): > > **“TRAKTOR SCRATCH Certified Mixer”** …so all you need is the timecode kit. [http://www.korg.co.uk/products/discontinued/zero/dj\_zero4.asp](http://www.korg.co.uk/products/discontinued/zero/dj_zero4.asp) ---
**Author:** ![photojojo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/photojojo/32/14618_2.png) [@photojojo](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/photojojo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/11 "2012-04-17T19:08:19Z")
Do you have Traktor Pro 2 now? If you do you can buy the S4 scratch upgrade kit just like lethal was saying. If you don’t you’ll need to get it, I think there’s a few serials for sale in the buy/sell section right now. ---
**Author:** ![MyUsername\_2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/myusername_2/32/14670_2.png) [@MyUsername\_2](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/MyUsername_2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/12 "2012-04-17T20:32:54Z")
Recieved another email from the store, basicly they said they’d be amazed if that works if I just get the timecode kit. So I contacted NI. ---
**Author:** ![Shishdisma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Shishdisma](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Shishdisma)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/13 "2012-04-17T23:16:44Z")
If you have a Traktor licence, the upgrade kit should work. If you don’t, then you pretty much get to eat it, from NI’s perspective. ---
**Author:** ![lethal\_pizzle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/lethal_pizzle/32/11770_2.png) [@lethal\_pizzle](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/lethal_pizzle)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 1:18am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/untitled-question/40740/14 "2012-04-18T01:18:59Z")
Excellent, except as we’ve (now rather painfully) been trying to say, he doesn’t need a Traktor license to qualify for this upgrade, just a Traktor certified mixer