# Why Pioneer before Allen & Heath? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 10, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976 "2013-11-10T00:14:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![djgstefan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@djgstefan](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/djgstefan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/1 "2013-11-10T00:14:29Z")
**Why Pioneer before Allen & Heath?** Hi, Does anyone here prefer Pioneer before Allen & Heath mixers (you have to tried booth to have a valid opinion) effects aside? I have big problems to understand why, as I think Allen & Heath is superior the pioneer. ---
**Author:** ![makar1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@makar1](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/makar1)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/2 "2013-11-10T01:32:29Z")
You could start by saying why you think Allen and Heath is superior. ---
**Author:** ![smiTTTen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/smittten/32/12629_2.png) [@smiTTTen](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/smiTTTen)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/3 "2013-11-10T02:08:05Z")
I, for one, prefer brands that sound Iike legal firms. ---
**Author:** ![mrdorianjames](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mrdorianjames](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mrdorianjames)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/4 "2013-11-10T03:00:47Z")
If only Wolfram and hart made mixers. ---
**Author:** ![keithace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/keithace/32/14248_2.png) [@keithace](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/keithace)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 4:29am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/5 "2013-11-10T04:29:20Z")
I think after you spend more than 500 bucks on a mixer it all becomes personal preference… I had a Xone 22. Loved it. Sold it. I now have a DJM 250. Loving it. ---
**Author:** ![Shishdisma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Shishdisma](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Shishdisma)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/6 "2013-11-10T04:54:09Z")
Both of them are pretty great as mixers, but the “preference” for either kinda depends on what a given workflow/install really needs, and what model of mixer you’re looking at. No professional brand or model is necessarily better than another, its all about the context. ---
**Author:** ![SirReal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/sirreal/32/15235_2.png) [@SirReal](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/SirReal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 5:09am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/7 "2013-11-10T05:09:47Z")
The UK made Allen & Heath mixers of “yesteryear” were superior, IMO, to anything that Pioneer was putting out but that was “then”. Pioneer mixers tend to be more “Industry Standard” and their newest models are quite good. It kinda comes down to personal preference when you’re comparing higher $$$$ models of each. ---
**Author:** ![keithace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/keithace/32/14248_2.png) [@keithace](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/keithace)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/8 "2013-11-10T05:15:19Z")
> [@smiTTTen](#): > > I, for one, prefer brands that sound Iike legal firms. you’re just british… ---
**Author:** ![mrdorianjames](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mrdorianjames](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mrdorianjames)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 7:37am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/9 "2013-11-10T07:37:48Z")
I always felt pioneer has a colder sound which isn’t bad but my preference is toward older a&h models like the 464…\*drool. ---
**Author:** ![smiTTTen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/smittten/32/12629_2.png) [@smiTTTen](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/smiTTTen)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 12:18pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/10 "2013-11-10T12:18:35Z")
> [@keithace](#): > > you’re just british… Yes, but I live in crazy town now. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/patch/32/118_2.png) [@Patch](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 12:28pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/11 "2013-11-10T12:28:38Z")
> [@""djgstefan""](#): > > I have big problems to understand why, as I think Allen & Heath is superior the pioneer. Maybe if you didn’t doubt yourself you wouldn’t be concerned with such trivial things… ---
**Author:** ![smiTTTen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/smittten/32/12629_2.png) [@smiTTTen](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/smiTTTen)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/12 "2013-11-10T13:02:59Z")
Calm down, Freud. ---
**Author:** ![Kwal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/kwal/32/14606_2.png) [@Kwal](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Kwal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/13 "2013-11-10T14:16:07Z")
Gemini mixers are superior, get the facts straight. ---
**Author:** ![mrdorianjames](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mrdorianjames](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/mrdorianjames)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/14 "2013-11-10T14:55:49Z")
> [@smiTTTen](#): > > Yes, but I live in crazy town now. Is that near funky town? ---
**Author:** ![Timbo21](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/timbo21/32/14061_2.png) [@Timbo21](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Timbo21)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/15 "2013-11-10T20:31:38Z")
I’m an ex-sarnd engineer. I got an Allen ‘n’ ‘Eath Xone92, and fink it sarnds fuckin’ wicked! I"M BRITISH!! ---
**Author:** ![Ed\_Paris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/ed_paris/32/13850_2.png) [@Ed\_Paris](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/Ed_Paris)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/16 "2013-11-10T20:41:59Z")
booth companies have their pros and cons. it is all about preference. cue function on the a&h sucks. the pioneer sound \< a&h sound 4eqs? i don´t need it. filter? a&h wins fx? pioneer… etc. all in all i prefer pioneer. ---
**Author:** ![safefire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/safefire/32/13574_2.png) [@safefire](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/safefire)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/17 "2013-11-11T01:22:55Z")
Isn’t “Industry Standard” something you become by paying for a lot of endorsements? ---
**Author:** ![johney](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/johney/32/15364_2.png) [@johney](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/johney)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/18 "2013-11-11T01:59:07Z")
workflow/pio being more user friendly? never used a xone, so i can’t tell from experience ---
**Author:** ![arsman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/arsman/32/13433_2.png) [@arsman](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/arsman)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/19 "2013-11-11T01:59:38Z")
Im leaning towards the pioneer on my next mixer purchase because most of the people i know use them. its not that I want to conform to “industry standard,” it’s because pioneer is always available for purchase here in my area as oppose to A&H. ---
**Author:** ![SirReal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.djtechtools.com/sirreal/32/15235_2.png) [@SirReal](https://forum.djtechtools.com/u/SirReal)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976/20 "2013-11-11T04:02:04Z")
FWIW, I went with Denon over both Allen & Heath and Pioneer and I’m very happy with my decision. [Next page](https://forum.djtechtools.com/t/why-pioneer-before-allen-heath/61976.md?page=2)