I just purged over 45 gb of tracks from my collection, feels good :)
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I just purged over 45 gb of tracks from my collection, feels good :)
The most frustrating thing about finding music is that I lose track of time and end up listening to new music for hours.
keep downloading and playing the beatport top 100 seems like you know it all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Nawlins
You seem to be making a false assumption that DJs are changing styles just to please a crowd and not because they're actually legitimately interested in newer styles of music. What I'm hearing is you just sort of expect the DJ to be somehow morally superior than everyone else in the room. It feels like you're saying the DJ only plays certain music because the crowd expects a certain style, not because that person actually cares about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Nawlins
I also really feel like your attitude towards younger people is awful. "Do kids in their 20's even know about Derrick May? They didn't even go to the Warehouse, what do they know about house?" People are allowed to enjoy music without knowing the context which it came from. If we consumed other media, like movies, in the way you expect young crowds to know about music we'd be asking people watching the new Ghostbusters "Do you even know the impact Citizen Kane had on editing and framing on modern film?"
I was looking at the line up at DC10 this season in IBIZA...total mainstream... /sarcasm
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FYI: I do not download the beatport top100 there are so many other sources for Music and not necessarly in the Mainstream.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithace
I say DJs can influence the cultural diversity of a Scene by offering to the crowd alternatives to other party-concepts allready existing.
But the days when DJs were Trendsetters (Setting new Musical Trends) like in the 80's with Scratching or in end of the 80's beginning of the 90's when House was Born in Chicago, where guys like Frankie Knuckles (for example) started mixing and cutting Disco, Soul, R'n'B with electronic beats and melodies to create a whole new genre called House, those times are over. And I am talking about DJs not DJ/Producers.
I am talking about the Thing the term DJ is coming from: the Disk Jockey a Person playing Music from another Person on a physical Support like Disk (and Nowadays Stick or Harddrive)
(btw: I do not consider Live Acts working on Samplers or Drum-processors as DJs as they are closer to a Musician than to a DJ and they have my full respect for this)
And really I have no Problem being a DJ and I accept that I can't Change the History of Music just by Spinning records on my Players.
If some of you guys think they can, OK then do it, Show me examples where you are a Trendsetter, Change my mind I am willing to believe DJs still have a Special role to Play, but the Music Business Evolution in the last years dodn't make me confident about it.
But Please bring me actual examples, I am talking about Today and the actual Situation, what's been 20-30 years ago is what I used as counter-example allready.
And btw...Being the first one to Play a new genre in your City doesn't really makes you a Trendsetter, you are just a relay to a trend musicians/Producers/Labels/etc... allready setted somewhere else.
I never say the DJ is morally superior, I guess your Interpretation of my words is really interesting (would love to read your interpretaion of the Quran btw LOL).Quote:
Originally Posted by overcast
I just say some DJs are pragmatic when they realise that the Style they were playing is not as popular anymore and Switch and surf on the next wave. I do not blame them for it, finally it is a normal reaction and we all have a Surviving Instinct deep inside of us. Everyone in every Job will do what's possible not to lose that Job? (And even better if they like the Style they switched to, so it might be easyer for them)
I have no attitude towards younger People (again your Interpretation is interesting) I do not blame them for their unknowledge about what's been 20 years ago...come On how could I...do you really think I was listening to Uriah Heep, Journey and the rest of the Music my parents did??? Never I would have in my 20's, looking back over the shoulder (musically spoken) is a process every Generation makes later in his life and this is normal.
What I wanted to say is that if you are an "older" DJ (like Carl Cox, Tiesto, Laurent Garnier,etc...) at least after 2 Generations of Party People your Name alone isn't enough to attract the crowd as those Young People (for the most of them) never heard your Name and don't know what you achieved by now.
And if then you still want to survive in the Business you have to acclimate with new Generations expectations...that's all I wanted to say.
Btw...this isn't only a DJ Problem, How many Bands, Singers, Artist are disappearing from the Radar because their Music is not "on top of the Pops" anymore and reflected the Musical taste of a past Generation???
How many Artist selling millions of records in the 80's & 90's not even get a contract with a Major Label anymore nowadays???
Past Achievements are not a warranty for endless success, we live in a consumption Society and we have to admit that Artist and DJs are just a product: Today Top, Tommorrow Flop.
I just wish there was a "Remove EDM" search function on Beatport et al, would make my searches much more easier.
The DC10 might be non Mainstream but it is a Baby Club (1'500 People) in comparison to the really big & wellknown Clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithace
Privilege: +10'000 people / Lineup: Steve Angello, Nora en Pure, EDX, etc...
Amnesia: +5'000 people / Lineup: Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike, DVBBS, etc...
Ushuaia: 4'000 People / Lineup: Hardwell, Avicii, Guetta, etc...
Pacha: 3'000 People / Lineup: Martin Solveig, Tujamo, Guetta, Bob Sinclar
Space: 3'000 People / Lineup: David Morales, Carl Cox
DC10: 1'500 People / Lineup: non Mainstream
So the capacity of those Clubs is 27'500 People each night.
in other words the DC10 makes 5,5% of the Partiers and the others 94,5% and they all book Mainstream EDM DJs???
Still not sure which part (the 5,5 or the 94,5%) is Setting the Trends and giving the pulse in Ibiza.
Me also sarcastic ;)
I'm not sure I'd call Carl Cox or David Morales mainstream EDM DJs.
Totally serious, not sarcastic at all.
i hate filtering through the shear amount of awful tracks out there to find the gems...record stores used to filter the crap out from their distributer as they knew they couldn't sell it...sadly this filter is lacking nowadays as online stores allow anyone to sell their drivel
truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
and sasha plays at ushuaia, Lawler at Sankeys, Carl Cox also plays at Amnesia, Dubfire at Pacha...I could go on and on...Quote:
Originally Posted by SirReal
I am going to start calling this dude Hillary. He only uses what fits his narrative. The fact that no one agrees with him and multiple people disagree with him should be a sign....but its not...he wants to be right.
I'm done...
First of all: I am surprised that a moderator talks that way. I got a warning for less than calling someone Hillary ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by keithace
Then yes, the big Clubs not only Play EDM, but DC10 is the only one having (let's say nearly) no Mainstream in their Line-Up and with his capacity it makes 5,5%, soeven if you do not cosider Cox & Morales as Mainstream and you add the Space to that percentage you get a 16% and this is still a minority...the question is what is representative for the Music Scene? Is Ibiza representative enought?
What I just realized due to this discussion, is that You guys consider yourself, and the role of a DJ, way too important.
We are just a Little part of the whole mechanism. We are only Relays for other peoples Music, in no way we are Trendsetters...we relay allready existing Trends.
If we were soooo important, why do we still have to pay for Music??? Why do Labels not send us their records for free, like they do with Radio Stations so that the Songs get played and heard by our audience???
In the end it isn't important if we are Trendsetters or not.
I just hope noone will get hurt too hard having this Kind of illusions.
And as I said, I do not like the System as it is and if anyone can give me an example of a trend setted by a DJ nowadays it definitively would enlight my day.
You guys make interpretations and critics on my Posts like if we were enemies, sad, but we are not, we just have a different opinion...and NO I don't wanna be right I would even love to be totally wrong, but I think most of you should take off their Pink Sunglasses and face the reality...it doesn't hurt not to be a Trendsetter, it may just be your ego that gets hurt but it isn't lethal.
Not sure if you're including me in the "you guys" stuff but I only made one statement in regards to Morales and Cox not being EDM DJ's and I don't feel it was inflamatory, just accurate. Also, just FYI, when DJ's reach a certain level (and it's it's not really that high) labels do give you their tracks for free. Not trying to have a go at you, just making a point.
It was about the whole discussion, please don't take it personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirReal
You are right they are not EDM but still Mainstream (I was relating my comment to some of keithace comments)
The fact with the Labels sending Songs to DJs, I agree but you have to get a certain Level allready...Localy known isn't enough for them, but as a Local Radio Station you allready get the Songs for free (well partly as you have to pay royalties for the airing of the Songs over here, but this is also the fact for Clubs or Events playing Music for Commercial use).
So there's no comparison between how Music Industry treats DJs and Radios. Even if I say since years, that what we do should be more interesting for Labels as the People come for an active consumation of Music to Clubs or Parties and most People listen passively to the Radio.
Trackhunter,
I do a few things to really help me work faster and more efficient.
1) I use classic view, 150 songs per page.
2) I ignore compilations - mostly redundant
3) Anything with a "radio mix" is ignored
4) I use memory to see if new releases are by artists I like/already own
This has sped up my search 3-4x, and I rarely miss music to my liking.
Back in the record store days, you would have to remember what you listened to the prior visit (a good thing for memory) - but my store did have a system of moving things down the aisle so the new music was always in the same spot, week after week.
Excellent advice Monkey Mouse - I do the same and it really does help the workflow!
Delete all tracks from your collection not played in the last year.