What do you find frustrating about discovering new music?

[Jester]

I just purged over 45 gb of tracks from my collection, feels good

[JTrips13]

The most frustrating thing about finding music is that I lose track of time and end up listening to new music for hours.

[keithace]

Well I am Djing myself since 16 years and we have to be realistic in thise time a lot changed on Music Business, not only technologicaly spoken.

EDM is exactly the right example to Show that not the DJs set a trend but the Producers, Labels, etc...
Another good example is Spinnin' Records which is a huge Electronic Music Factory and not a Label for creative People (and yes I know about their Workshops where Songwriters and Producers work together but it's terrible way to be productive and focuses more on the making Money part than on the making good Music part of creativity)

You talk about Cox and Digweed, I talk about Tiesto...why does he not make Trance anymore? Why did he Change when he saw Trance is dying and House and later on EDM were getting huge?
Do you really think it's just opportunism from him? Do you really Think it's because he is a Wavesurfer?
Well I think the pressure is as huge even on that Level.

And do you really think getting older is the reason why Carl Cox stops in Ibiza???
I think that when you are infected by the Music Virus it's not your Age that gonna Change anything.
I am pretty sure that he also felt some pressure from ourside to acclimate his Sets a bit more to the audience (which might be more in the middle 20's now on the Island, than in our Age no???)
To be honnest how many 20-30 years old Kids know who COx, Digweed, Cook, Mills, Garnier, etc... are???
So it's either those iconic DJs acclimate to the younger crowd, either they get thrown away like a old Piece of trash, either they recognise themself that they are kinda "has been" and take decisions themself on how to go on.

Times are hard for old DJs, we all have to acclimate with the crowd getting younger and younger in comparison to our own Age.

keep downloading and playing the beatport top 100 seems like you know it all...

[overcast]

I am pretty sure that he also felt some pressure from ourside to acclimate his Sets a bit more to the audience (which might be more in the middle 20's now on the Island, than in our Age no???)
To be honnest how many 20-30 years old Kids know who COx, Digweed, Cook, Mills, Garnier, etc... are???
So it's either those iconic DJs acclimate to the younger crowd, either they get thrown away like a old Piece of trash, either they recognise themself that they are kinda "has been" and take decisions themself on how to go on.

Times are hard for old DJs, we all have to acclimate with the crowd getting younger and younger in comparison to our own Age.

You seem to be making a false assumption that DJs are changing styles just to please a crowd and not because they're actually legitimately interested in newer styles of music. What I'm hearing is you just sort of expect the DJ to be somehow morally superior than everyone else in the room. It feels like you're saying the DJ only plays certain music because the crowd expects a certain style, not because that person actually cares about it.

I also really feel like your attitude towards younger people is awful. "Do kids in their 20's even know about Derrick May? They didn't even go to the Warehouse, what do they know about house?" People are allowed to enjoy music without knowing the context which it came from. If we consumed other media, like movies, in the way you expect young crowds to know about music we'd be asking people watching the new Ghostbusters "Do you even know the impact Citizen Kane had on editing and framing on modern film?"

[keithace]

I was looking at the line up at DC10 this season in IBIZA...total mainstream... /sarcasm

https://www.residentadvisor.net/club.aspx?id=1273

[Stephen Nawlins]

keep downloading and playing the beatport top 100 seems like you know it all...

FYI: I do not download the beatport top100 there are so many other sources for Music and not necessarly in the Mainstream.

I say DJs can influence the cultural diversity of a Scene by offering to the crowd alternatives to other party-concepts allready existing.
But the days when DJs were Trendsetters (Setting new Musical Trends) like in the 80's with Scratching or in end of the 80's beginning of the 90's when House was Born in Chicago, where guys like Frankie Knuckles (for example) started mixing and cutting Disco, Soul, R'n'B with electronic beats and melodies to create a whole new genre called House, those times are over. And I am talking about DJs not DJ/Producers.
I am talking about the Thing the term DJ is coming from: the Disk Jockey a Person playing Music from another Person on a physical Support like Disk (and Nowadays Stick or Harddrive)
(btw: I do not consider Live Acts working on Samplers or Drum-processors as DJs as they are closer to a Musician than to a DJ and they have my full respect for this)

And really I have no Problem being a DJ and I accept that I can't Change the History of Music just by Spinning records on my Players.

If some of you guys think they can, OK then do it, Show me examples where you are a Trendsetter, Change my mind I am willing to believe DJs still have a Special role to Play, but the Music Business Evolution in the last years dodn't make me confident about it.
But Please bring me actual examples, I am talking about Today and the actual Situation, what's been 20-30 years ago is what I used as counter-example allready.
And btw...Being the first one to Play a new genre in your City doesn't really makes you a Trendsetter, you are just a relay to a trend musicians/Producers/Labels/etc... allready setted somewhere else.

[Stephen Nawlins]

You seem to be making a false assumption that DJs are changing styles just to please a crowd and not because they're actually legitimately interested in newer styles of music. What I'm hearing is you just sort of expect the DJ to be somehow morally superior than everyone else in the room. It feels like you're saying the DJ only plays certain music because the crowd expects a certain style, not because that person actually cares about it.

I also really feel like your attitude towards younger people is awful. "Do kids in their 20's even know about Derrick May? They didn't even go to the Warehouse, what do they know about house?" People are allowed to enjoy music without knowing the context which it came from. If we consumed other media, like movies, in the way you expect young crowds to know about music we'd be asking people watching the new Ghostbusters "Do you even know the impact Citizen Kane had on editing and framing on modern film?"

I never say the DJ is morally superior, I guess your Interpretation of my words is really interesting (would love to read your interpretaion of the Quran btw LOL).
I just say some DJs are pragmatic when they realise that the Style they were playing is not as popular anymore and Switch and surf on the next wave. I do not blame them for it, finally it is a normal reaction and we all have a Surviving Instinct deep inside of us. Everyone in every Job will do what's possible not to lose that Job? (And even better if they like the Style they switched to, so it might be easyer for them)

I have no attitude towards younger People (again your Interpretation is interesting) I do not blame them for their unknowledge about what's been 20 years ago...come On how could I...do you really think I was listening to Uriah Heep, Journey and the rest of the Music my parents did??? Never I would have in my 20's, looking back over the shoulder (musically spoken) is a process every Generation makes later in his life and this is normal.

What I wanted to say is that if you are an "older" DJ (like Carl Cox, Tiesto, Laurent Garnier,etc...) at least after 2 Generations of Party People your Name alone isn't enough to attract the crowd as those Young People (for the most of them) never heard your Name and don't know what you achieved by now.
And if then you still want to survive in the Business you have to acclimate with new Generations expectations...that's all I wanted to say.

Btw...this isn't only a DJ Problem, How many Bands, Singers, Artist are disappearing from the Radar because their Music is not "on top of the Pops" anymore and reflected the Musical taste of a past Generation???
How many Artist selling millions of records in the 80's & 90's not even get a contract with a Major Label anymore nowadays???
Past Achievements are not a warranty for endless success, we live in a consumption Society and we have to admit that Artist and DJs are just a product: Today Top, Tommorrow Flop.

[ImNoDJ]

[Notanon]

I just wish there was a "Remove EDM" search function on Beatport et al, would make my searches much more easier.

[Stephen Nawlins]

I was looking at the line up at DC10 this season in IBIZA...total mainstream... /sarcasm

https://www.residentadvisor.net/club.aspx?id=1273

The DC10 might be non Mainstream but it is a Baby Club (1'500 People) in comparison to the really big & wellknown Clubs.

Privilege: +10'000 people / Lineup: Steve Angello, Nora en Pure, EDX, etc...
Amnesia: +5'000 people / Lineup: Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike, DVBBS, etc...
Ushuaia: 4'000 People / Lineup: Hardwell, Avicii, Guetta, etc...
Pacha: 3'000 People / Lineup: Martin Solveig, Tujamo, Guetta, Bob Sinclar
Space: 3'000 People / Lineup: David Morales, Carl Cox
DC10: 1'500 People / Lineup: non Mainstream

So the capacity of those Clubs is 27'500 People each night.
in other words the DC10 makes 5,5% of the Partiers and the others 94,5% and they all book Mainstream EDM DJs???

Still not sure which part (the 5,5 or the 94,5%) is Setting the Trends and giving the pulse in Ibiza.

Me also sarcastic