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Sure, but so far I'm the commenter with the most peer-reviewed research. I deserve a medal or something.
I didn't mean leaking the track early, sorry wrong terminology, I just meant the track being on blog sites and torrents after the track has been released. Sometimes i find my track up the same day they come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
OP: If you said steal music you've already bought then yes it is wrong.
If I had already bought a Lambo and I stole the same one I already own it would be wrong. If you own the music already do with that music as you want. If you want to rip it from a CD or whatever form you have it in then fine. That would be more modifying what is already yours. Back to the Lambo Metaphor you can paint it or change it however you want it's already yours. In the case of music there are of course copyright infringement when you modify music that isn't yours but the morality of that has already been a popular topic here :D.
I was lucky to get a promo of the Launch about 2 months after it was played on Powertools (by Richard "Humpty" Vission), and they only reason I got hooked up was cuz the record store that I was always at said hey they sent us doubles Jes, you want a copy? I was like hell yeah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Djtom420
Thats suck Lance, being that you lose money when the track is on a torrent or blog, but at the same time the track is getting air play by djs and if other djs hear the track and want it I think its a 50/50 chance they they will buy it or d/l from a blog.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
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Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
your looking in the wrong place... torrents, p2p and blog sites are the new school.. All of these can be controlled.
try newsgroups- these cannot be controlled.. the files though only last for 900 days
Doood hell yeah I used to love powertools. Espically when DJ Outer spun That dood effin rocked, deep jazz house and tech house. LOVE that stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by JesC
OMG, dood dont tell them about the newgroups. Great now im gonna read on drudge report that the RIAA is cracking down on newsgroups... thanks Frogstar... thanks.... :-) Tongue in check of course .....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by djfrogstar
its funny u here all about torrents and p2p but never about the newsgroups. I know a guy whos gotten letters to stop dling from torrent sites but continues to get TONS and TONS of sh*t from newsgroups...
I believe this can be true in some cases...Quote:
Originally Posted by JesC
newsgroups are also filled with as many if not more VIRUS related nastiness.
RAR files that actually are virus installers and so forth... plus... you have to remember... that all these sick bastards with child porn are lurking on newsgroups. And yes you do hear about raids on people who do this. So at some point it will happen the same way.
I wish their was a way this could change this. but making djs loyal to a artist or label is hard. Back in the 90's I was hooked on Terror Traxx (gabber hardcore) and I would spend 10 - 20 bux for 1 12", being that they put of great music that was not played by alot of djs here in l.a.Quote:
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Oh you bring back memories... I was fond of the ZYX compilations and would get anything without even listening. Hells gate, Space woodstock, anything fast and nasty. I had a number of terror trax but those were harder to find than the double cd compilationsQuote:
Originally Posted by JesC
I don't think it's wrong at all. But I'm a big pirate, so who knows?
What was cool about Terror Traxx is that I found out about Mid-Town Records and that opened the door to more music from NL (Tekki's Home), it became my drug. Also found some neat 10" records in the early '00s called Blue Limited, it was early NuNrg and it had the oldschool hoover sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by djfrogstar
What im getting at is when you buy music it helps you to know what other music that artist, remixer, and label are putting out. Blogs just put out 100 tracks and 1 is really worthy of being play. But this newschool hipster djs really dont know the difference between trash, good, great tracks.
Everything is Banger this and Banger That...
ugh... don't get me started...Quote:
Originally Posted by JesC
*DING*Quote:
Originally Posted by JesC
You rang? ;)
This discussion went fast guys... :eek:
But, if you own the a bought copy, you're allowed to have a copy. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
Now if I downloaded this clip, made an mp3 and got paid alot of money to dj... Would I be stealing from him if he doesnt even know its been stolen?
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I think I have created a monster....
18 pages later....yeah i think you didQuote:
Originally Posted by EdanUK
This a bit of a bad analogy though, yes you are correct it is wrong, but each lambo that they make would cost money for parts, time to put it together etc etc. This is not the case with music. If someone has taken the time to make the song and then it has been put to market and the OP has bought it then fair enough, job and process complete. It's not like then if the OP wants the copy from a torrent etc after having bought it, ie becuase he bought it on vinyl, that the artist then has to make the song from scratch again? I'm not saying that this will always be the case because obviously you will get the people downloading who HAVEN'T bought it in the first place but just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by svensat
Again ... go and read about excludable goods. By owning a physical product, you are denying someone else the opportunity to own your copy. Digital files of any description aren't the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by svensat
Didn't realise this topic had blown up so much btw - pretty interesting reading.
(oh and Lance - guns aren't banned in the UK, as a member of the public you aren't allowed to own a pistol or a fully automatic weapon, but you can still have shotguns and rifles, subject to police licensing you)
is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ohmydaze
I was saying if someone has a physical copy and they rip it themselves to a digital form for their own personal use I see nothing morally wrong with doing that. If they want to obtain a digital copy of the same music from another source (Ultimately coming from the Artist remaking the music subject to job and process, than I would agree, they should purchase it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyoog
I again will reiterate that if you rip from a physical copy you own I see nothing morally wrong with that. DJ'ing as a whole is manipulation of others' music. changing the form the music you own is in should just be thought of as a part of the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms
Interesting concept of excludability. By someone creating a Digital copy for themselves I understand that as soon as something becomes digital it is possible for it to be infinitly copied but one does not have to copy and share this with other. Making their digital copy still exclusive by choice.
Yes you have. And this is my last post feeding the monster. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EdanUK
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Originally Posted by svensat
Excludability is an economic concept that determines how markets function. It's not a matter of choice, and requesting/requiring that people choose to make agalmic goods excludable is ... naive. Also very destructive, if you could enforce it, which you can't.