New NI controller!

I really don't see why this would be a standalone mixer. I mean, it could be, but it doesn't make much sense.

1) Theres the whole system of Traktor plugged right into it, with mixing capablilites built in.

2) NI aren't exactly great at making mixing software. Traktor's mixer is pretty meh all around. A standalone mixer with Traktor's algorithms vs the DJM-T1? Yeah. No. I wouldn't be surprised if the NI mixer didn't have isolators.

3) Why would they jack the price so far up to include what's already done by the software? That just doesn't sound very efficient...

Unless the people saying "standalone mixer" dont actually mean "standalone mixer" but "knob box thats ripped out of the middle of an S2 with some shineys."

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Originally Posted by rdej47

The M could actually stand for Master and maybe it's post fader fx :O.

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Originally Posted by photojojo

Maybe we'll be able to create up to 26 groups of effects?

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Originally Posted by 0.0

Why 26? You know something I don't? :glare:

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26 letters in the english alphabet. I think there's 30 in German though. :)

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Originally Posted by rdej47

Is no one curious as to why this mixer has no chain FX on buttons??

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Maybe cause they only have one FX knob.

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Originally Posted by LXJ

Maybe cause they only have one FX knob.

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There is dry/wet and rate knob as I think. They leaved those FX buttons to creative mappings.

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Originally Posted by photojojo

I've read that it is as tall as a regular mixer, but midi only. The extra space is for storing pineapple to put on your pizza.

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that sounds familiar....

I like it a lot, but curse you Native Instruments for making me want to spend my money.

If it works as a standalone mixer and can be upgraded with an Innofader - it may be very interesting... If not I will keep my good old PMC 05 and 6 with the inno's and an X1.

How interested I am in this is going to vary greatly depending on the price. $600 or below and I'm all over it.

I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but after watching the video closely again, it seems like if flux mode is like Pioneers slip mode. Also, it seems as if the two extra decks have rotaries instead of faders for volume control.

I can confirm a couple things after ripping the 1080p and loading it into FCPX and doing some color adjustment. There is a booth output (something a lot of S4 users missed), I'm not sure what the knobs that are on the top corner do, also there's a series of micro buttons that run along the top of the mixer. The switches that are on top are also definitely phono/line switches.

im thinking new flux mode = slip mode of some sort

I wish you could run an external source into Traktor like a vinyl record or cdj and use the effects on that sound. I don't know about ditching my mixer with analogue filters and X1 for those times when I spin real vinyl or my friends bring their CDJ's and usb sticks.

I don't really understand this thing. Seems to fall right in the middle of all categories, which makes it sort of useless. It's not quite this, it's not quite that, etc.

My only guess is that instead of being expensive, it's going to be very cheap. That's really the only way that justifies it. Unless there are way more features.

Couldn't be fucked reading all the heresay and wank of the last 18 pages. One question, is it a standalone mixer with phono/line inputs capable of running traditional decks or not?

Maybe NI will stop making all in ones and just make a 2 channel mixer and 4 channel mixer to replace the s4 and s2 then focus more on the f1 and x1 type controllers

Its all speculation. I love how ones word turns into anothers gospel. Just wait and see, then decide if it is for you or not!

Comes down to price point weather or not this thing will be profitable....hopefully NI has learned from pioneer's mistake with the T1.

If it comes in above 500 it will be a flop and im sure their marketing team knows that, otherwise we will see mad discounting by NI which is usually what happens anyways.

edit: If its standalone I will buy it for under $750

They better have accessible faders to clean or/and replaceable, Because that has been a real pain in the .... with the s4 and s2.

looks like it is turntable height

If it's a scratch mixer why not launch it with a scratch DJ video?

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Originally Posted by UncleFunky

If it's a scratch mixer why not launch it with a scratch DJ video?

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My guesses

1. There are more folks using Traktor for the F1 functions, button pushing, controller aspect of it vs. Scratch DJ's
2. It's probably not a great scratch mixer vs. a Rane 62

Still a cool concept if priced right....I don't think it will be that cheap. Quality mixers with a soundcard and midi capabilites aren't cheap.

Awaits Shiftee video showing it off.

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Originally Posted by haze324

My guesses
2. It's probably not a great scratch mixer vs. a Rane 62

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On what grounds are you making this assumption?

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Originally Posted by nestaselect

On what grounds are you making this assumption?

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Perhaps the fact that the launch doesn't really show it off as a scratch deck?

I wouldn't call this the launch because they told us nothing about it. This was a tease and until the official launch when they explain what it is we are only making WAG as to its intent.

^this

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Originally Posted by haze324

2. It's probably not a great scratch mixer vs. a Rane 62

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Originally Posted by nestaselect

On what grounds are you making this assumption?

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Originally Posted by UncleFunky

Perhaps the fact that the launch doesn't really show it off as a scratch deck?

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Or the fact that so far all NI hardware is of terrible quality and Rane hardware is of amazing quality.

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Originally Posted by nestaselect

On what grounds are you making this assumption?

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It looks like it's made of plastic, and all the knobs and faders look like they are off S series.. the S4 isn't really strong enough to cope with a good raping.

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Originally Posted by photojojo

I wouldn't call this the launch because they told us nothing about it. This was a tease and until the official launch when they explain what it is we are only making WAG as to its intent.

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Call it what you will, it still doesn't suggest it's for scratching.

I don't see this being cheap...

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Originally Posted by Saurus

Or the fact that so far all NI hardware is of terrible quality and Rane hardware is of amazing quality.

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Exactly! Key words "so far". Why not waiting until the actual product launch to post about the quality? All I have seen so far from the negative people are lots of assumptions.

I'll reserve passing judgement until I get my hands on it. If the quality is there, I'm selling my SixtyTwo.

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Originally Posted by nestaselect

Exactly! Key words "so far". Why not waiting until the actual product launch to post about the quality? All I have seen so far from the negative people are lots of assumptions.

I'll reserve passing judgement until I get my hands on it. If the quality is there, I'm selling my SixtyTwo.

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You reserve judgement all you want, I'm gonna pay attention to history.

NI doesn't need to make quality gear. People are stupid enough to buy their crap regardless of the quality. They can build this thing like a mixtrack, and charge pioneer prices for it, and everyone will still buy it.

Because:
A: NI fanboys are even dumber than mac fanboys/windows fanboys.
B: They're going to add new HID-only features in this new traktor version that they'll prevent you from using with any other controller. Remember how well this business plan worked for the S4, the S2 AND the F1? Why would they stop?

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Originally Posted by Saurus

NI doesn't need to make quality gear. People are stupid enough to buy their crap regardless of the quality. They can build this thing like a mixtrack, and charge pioneer prices for it, and everyone will still buy it.

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My X1 is solid, the S2s and 4s I've played with seemed solid........cdj 350s and 400s that I've used felt like toys. How could NI make their gear more quality? I've been happy with it...

Amazing concept with mediocre execution.

But that's just my first impression. If the price is right this could still be a quality product.

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Originally Posted by Saurus

Or the fact that so far all NI hardware is of terrible quality and Rane hardware is of amazing quality.

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I'd disagree a little. The body of most NI devices is nice and sturdy but i'll agree it's knobs and faders where they are lacking. I'd be willing to pay more for this device if I knew they had made some increases to the design quality of the knobs and faders.

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Originally Posted by dripstep

My X1 is solid, the S2s and 4s I've played with seemed solid........cdj 350s and 400s that I've used felt like toys. How could NI make their gear more quality? I've been happy with it...

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You think the build quality of the s2/s4 is higher than that of the CDJ 350 and 400......? Granted the 350 and 400 are cheap, but the "touch" on the jogwheels on the S2/S4 is a giant button that goes "clunk" when you push it down... Do I need to go on?

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Originally Posted by rdej47

i'll agree it's knobs and faders where they are lacking

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Unfortunately you don't play with the body.. you do use the knobs, sliders and buttons though.

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Originally Posted by synthet1c

Unfortunately you don't play with the body.. you do use the knobs, sliders and buttons though.

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Have you ever popped the knob of of a SixtyTwo? Plastic posts. UGH!

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Originally Posted by nestaselect

Have you ever popped the knob of of a SixtyTwo? Plastic posts. UGH!

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Really? That's surprising from Rane. Their stuff is usually tank quality.

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Originally Posted by synthet1c

Unfortunately you don't play with the body.. you do use the knobs, sliders and buttons though.

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Really... the jogwheeels. The jogwheels on the S2/S4 are actually too bad to even attempt to backspin (throw it as hard as you can, it'll spin for 3/4s of a second and then stop abruptly), and the platter is a big piece of plastic that rattles around.

The jogwheels on the mixtrack are LITERALLY higher quality (aside from the encoders being 7 bit midi).