bridge & mixtape

[Mudo]

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Ok, this is the worst "Bridge" part. It doesn't makes magic I know... but you could control transport control of these clips with turntable. This is a lot (for our context).

To give you a solution, I think Live Feed will be the (buffer) resampling deck. Route midi to it and record. Then scratch it.

It is not enough?

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[ctrld]

It is not enough?

surely not enough for me to switch from TSP + live to SSL + live... but like I said, I don't want to bash stuff before it comes out. I'm only voicing my doubts, don't let that spoil your anticipation

[diezdiazgiant]

heh i think that was one of the most civil exchanges of opinion i have ever seen on an internet forum

[Mudo]

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Because we are not fanboys and Serato users neither.

Bridge is not perfect and it is not so revolution as Ableton/Serato want to sell us but...


Crtld you can't do these with TSP no? How do you work?


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[ctrld]

Bridge is not perfect and it is not so revolution as Ableton/Serato want to sell us

yeah, in the promo video they're really acting as if bridge was the second coming of christ... but then maybe it does just what they wanted and they're not saying this because they got paid so much - you never know. the only thing I know for sure is that I want more, but that's perfectly normal for a gear whore

Crtld you can't do these with TSP no? How do you work?

I use two laptops - one running live & maschine and the other one running TSP, they're not synced but live does a little bit of communicating with TSP. too long to explain it all, let's just say it does a good job - but it's far from perfect and I'm still working on pushing it further...

[Mudo]

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Yes definetly they go HYPE. The Bridge is cool at last (and free, thanks) but is no other thing that I said before: some audio full duplex rewire and thight remote control throught Python and LiveApi. That's all.

In near future it will be perfectly do the same with any DVS and remote scripting, taking profit over Serato work and it doesn't give us scratchable warped clips (my wish better than midi scratch clips) and it is not about technical issue, it is develop issue.

I know how to go step forward in this but my mouth is closed.

Ideas have value and I pointed some good ones for free. Now it is time to shout out myself in some directions...




About your set...
Do you use maxforlive? TSP could send OSC and will be helpful in sync and other "bridgering" options...

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[ctrld]

Do you use maxforlive? TSP could send OSC and will be helpful in sync and other "bridgering" options...

yeah, I do. thanks for the hint, but I'm not too experienced with it yet, so I'm sure we can discuss this better in 2 or 3 months. I'll definitely look into it (going to crossgrade to max/msp/jitter eventually)...

also, TSP is and always will be slaved to my liveset, not the other way round - and I like to do at least some things manually

[Johbremat]

DRTWT, but have I got it right that y'all think you can scratch clips?


My understanding was that the only control you have of Ableton is by way of MIDI/TTM57SL/Sixty-Eight, whereby you can navigate and launch clips.


I was under the impression that BY NO MEANS AT ALL could timecode vinyl/CD manipulate the clips, and that only Ms. Pinky and AmmoBox are capable of using timecode as transport for clips.


It was my belief that Bridge allows for remixing and whatnot, but otherwise you can't do jack with the clips. If someone can show me a YouTube clip (pun intended) that states otherwise, it'd be greatly appreciated.


And Mixtape simply accepts automation from from SSL. Linefaders, crossfaders, gain, EQ: that sort of jazz. Allow you to edit your mixes or record fader movements from your scratches.

[ctrld]

DRTWT, but have I got it right that y'all think you can scratch clips?

My understanding was that the only control you have of Ableton is by way of MIDI/TTM57SL/Sixty-Eight, whereby you can navigate and launch clips.

uh, then it would be even less interesting... because in this case I don't see anything I couldn't already do with my rig. hm. perhaps it's cool for dropping acapellas and whatnot on top of a mix without the hassle of beatmatching them manually, but then again you'd have to have your music collection analyzed perfectly for sync to work - and that is where ssl/itch is clearly inferior to traktor.

good thing you mentioned ms.pinky though, I haven't tested it in M4L yet but in theory it should be possible to do some proper crazy shit with it that will have to wait for the semester break though.

[Mudo]

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DRTWT, but have I got it right that y'all think you can scratch clips?

Yes, We can!

My understanding was that the only control you have of Ableton is by way of MIDI/TTM57SL/Sixty-Eight, whereby you can navigate and launch clips.

And add LiveApi remote control scripting (like Launchpad, Apc40 and The Bridge) and/or maxforlive (special Api blablablah).
You could do the same that Rane hardware (in midi automatization way) with regular midi hardware, the same for clip launching and blinking leds. You don't need expensive gear for this...

I was under the impression that BY NO MEANS AT ALL could timecode vinyl/CD manipulate the clips, and that only Ms. Pinky and AmmoBox are capable of using timecode as transport for clips.

Ammobox can trigger their OWN loaded samples by midi. Not transport control.
Ms. Pinky could scratch the source audio files from audio clips (not warped or modified material yet due to Live limitations) and load these audio triggering the clip matrix (ammobox paradigm upgraded)

It was my belief that Bridge allows for remixing and whatnot, but otherwise you can't do jack with the clips. If someone can show me a YouTube clip (pun intended) that states otherwise, it'd be greatly appreciated.

I'm not sure what do you want to see... Bridge demo showing clips scratching? It is not possible with Bridge but you could use Live transport as a deck inside SSL. Clarify me please and if I have the link I will put it here.

And Mixtape simply accepts automation from from SSL. Linefaders, crossfaders, gain, EQ: that sort of jazz. Allow you to edit your mixes or record fader movements from your scratches.

And it could be done with any midi hardware and upgraded so easy and make it a bit powerfull... but these will be at Bridge 2.0 or Ms. Pinky 2012.



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