Is it wrong to steal music u have already bought?

[tito]

if you bought it how come you steal it?????

[SirReal]

@frogstar,
My post was in response to DjTom420, not yours. But I do disagree with this "also problem in america during the 90s was lasting hatred of disco which suppressed electronic music..
The rest of europe was sharing the whole wave of electronic videos". While Europe embraced the electronic music scene, America kept it underground with the likes of Detroit Techno & Chicago House but even before that, Industrial, none of which garnered any popular acclaim, which allowed each scene to grow and experiment. I've always felt the best music of any scene is refined and made when in it's "underground" phase. By the time it's become mainstream, the creativity & expressiveness is mostly exhausted. I'm not ruling out the UKs role in underground as the US & UK have ALWAYS borrowed and been influenced by each other. It's a very parasitic/symbiotic relationship and apparently it's the US' turn to step up but the state of popular music in the US is quite frankly, embarrassing right now. Hopefully that means there's a few "scenes" in their "underground" phase right now, but I'm not holding my breath.

[djfrogstar]

As much as I love the underground and the scene we got away with in the 90s.. The main reason why early rave/techno/ambient was not being embraced was because there was no real face on the music. This atleast with MTV has been the primary reason. If we lived in a SCI FI world like battlestar galactica.. The cylons would buy the music for the warmth of syncopation. And little Cylons would faint to the instrumental bleeps and synths.
No voice/singer= not marketable back in the early 90s with a few exceptions.
Alot of the pioneers of techno/electronic/rave/whatever were skinny introverted drugged up kids like this dudmouse guy. Obviously not all.. The peak of selling music before MP3s started affecting sales probally had all the shelfspace taken in most shops. For years I remember seeing the same compilations in non underground record shops. Techno for an answer-only for the headstrong-aural ecstacy-lords of acid and shit like that.

and again back on topic... what do you do with 20m of records... digitize all that? hell no

[SirReal]

[QUOTE=and again back on topic... what do you do with 20m of records... digitize all that? hell no[/QUOTE]

I did. But I guess it's just up to the moral integrity of the individual. I personally think there's a direct link to "free/stolen DLed music" and the shitty state of the music industry today but that's just my opinion.

[EdanUK]

Haven't looked on the forum for a day and there now is 8 pages!!

Good discussion people.

I do agree that is not right and as a music lover I want to give money to the artists I love because without that money they would stop...

Therefore I have decided that the "right" thing to do is probably to wait till they have a sale on beatport and then everyone is a winner.

I already have a few tunes on both formats (legally) so may as well carry on.

[LanceBlaise]

The CD argument doesn't really stand up. By making an additional copy of a digital file you're not preventing anyone else owning a copy of that file.

(see Excludability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - this is the major reason that the music industry is having a hell of a time coping with the digital music market, as the product they're selling has fundamentally changed)

The word 'steal' is highly emotive (and as I believe you produce music, I can completely understand why you get highly emotive about it!). It's a phrase that FACT and the RIAA are trying to get people to use when referring to illegally downloading music, which technically is breaching copyright ...

At the end of the day, people really should pay for the music they listen to.

If they don't, the artist won't get any money for the massive amounts of effort they put in to making music and at the worst case, they'll just stop doing it. Support the scene you love!

Listen bro, its not ok to steal anything in this world, no matter what reason you want to sit and justify your reasons for stealing the track...

As an artist and a label owner, you are taking money out of my mouth and the mouths of my artists, you are also contributing to others doing it as well.

[LanceBlaise]

Haven't looked on the forum for a day and there now is 8 pages!!

Good discussion people.

I do agree that is not right and as a music lover I want to give money to the artists I love because without that money they would stop...

Therefore I have decided that the "right" thing to do is probably to wait till they have a sale on beatport and then everyone is a winner.

I already have a few tunes on both formats (legally) so may as well carry on.

Thank you!!I am glad to see there are some people with some good ethics!

[Str8upDrew]

Stealing music is wrong. I still buy tracks that i have on vinyl, i would rather pay $2 than have a constant hissing/popping sound in my tracks.
With that said, i hate beatport. They treat artist like shit. I try to use juno as much as possible.
Also, if you're looking for free music. Look up some artist on soundcloud, most will have at least a few tracks for free. It may not be the one you want, but it's free.

[EdanUK]

Stealing music is wrong. I still buy tracks that i have on vinyl, i would rather pay $2 than have a constant hissing/popping sound in my tracks.
With that said, i hate beatport. They treat artist like shit. I try to use juno as much as possible.

same it's all about Juno...but beatport do have some good sales and alot of exclusives, I guess that's cause it's bigger.

[djfrogstar]

Ok then... what about all the electronic music artists who steal software and make music with stolen software. Should they get paid for making music illegally?
1990s-2010 how many people installed a cracked plugin to make music with?
This is where the "artists should get paid" stance hits a grey area... of course people are legit on all levels ... or on some levels.. or on no levels...

lets say dudmouse makes his music on an illegal installation of windows and using illegal pluggins... the momemnt dudmouse makes a penny... then he should be fined and thrown into jail for STEALING. Regardless of people paying cash for VINYL or DIGITAL ,,, Why support illegal activity?