More respects using Turntables?

[haze324]

I really don't see what business and the club making money has to do with some DJ bringing in his own gear to DJ with that he KNOWS how to use.

This is why man. If I am club owner and i paid thousands to install a pioneer system that tons of DJ's use worldwide and it works every weekend, why would I trust someone that brings in some equipment I've never heard? As a business owner I don't give a shit what the equipement does, I just care that it works. And what I DO know....is that my industry standard equipment works. As many good DJ's that are out there that use controllers, there's just as many if not more that are just as good and use CDJ's or TT's. So if I know that it works, and I'm in this to make money --- I'm going to use the guys that use the equipement I know that works.

It's not about YOU knowing that it works. It's about ME, the guy paying, knowing that it works.

You can't compare a set of drums to a laptop.

The difference is some folks do notice, at big clubs with headliners you go SEE the DJ perfrom. Can you imagine DJ Jazzy Jeff or A-Trak or Craze perfrom his set on a VCI-100. Even if they pulled off the same scratches, the set would seem lifeless compared to two 1200's.

Agree with PoppinJay -- there's a physicality to it that gets the respect.

[Sherlock Ohms]

Can you imagine DJ Jazzy Jeff or A-Trak or Craze perfrom his set on a VCI-100. Even if they pulled off the same scratches, the set would seem lifeless compared to two 1200's.

If Jeff or ATrak or Craze made a decent noise twanging the banjo string on their cocks I'd dance. I couldn't give two shits what they use.

(fwiw, I use a controller sometimes and tables sometimes. I prefer the latter as I can scratch on them a hell of a lot better than I can on my mates S4 or my VCI100SE)

[Mylestec]

I've never been so nervous. I've been using the traktor s4 for a while with my technics and a vestax mixer. Went to two clubs and a radio station to network. Two of the clubs had a booth with pioneer gear and two technics. So I was like where am I going to put my s4....

Problem is oh so common... the S4 is freakin' huge!... most clubs i've played at and / or been to don't have space to accommodate it even if you are a headliner!... I have enough problems trying to find space for my two LPD8's.. and those are tiny in comparison... If you seriously want to play in clubs you've got to be able to use the current standard.. and that has and will continue to change. For example, I'm a turntable guy and I find less and less of 'em available.... in fact I'm throwing down tonight in a place that has a tiny booth just barely big enough to fit the standard CDJ setup.. no room for a computer, no room for turntables either. Luckily the promoter is providing everything I have in my rider so I'm good. The point is the 'standard' will change... you can do your best to help usher in changes, but you've also gotta be able to bend a little as well.

Learn how to rock it the good 'ol fashioned way.. be versatile, be able to adapt... make the best with what your provided...don't stress about it.. just have fun!

[Nicky H]

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[Sherlock Ohms]

[QUOTE=Mylestec;329338]Problem is oh so common... the S4 is freakin' huge!... [QUOTE]

This is my biggest bugbear with the S4 - one of my mates drags the damn thing to gigs and takes up the entire fucking booth with the thing, moving all te decks and CDJs to one side for his kit. It pisses off all of the other guys who just want to use the house gear and then have to sort it all out again ...

[ksandvik]

I've never liked a DJ because what he was doing was difficult and/or he was being more physical. It's all about the vibe he's giving based on track selection and mixing. Period.

I also agree. And I suspect a huge majority of the audience is in the same boat.

As for using Ableton Live being as easy as reading emails. I do think the latest Daft Punk live shows were extremely complex to set up and execute. The audience also seemed to enjoy the concerts looking at the tens of thousands attending -- so I don't think the theory that pure DJ technicality is honored is the norm. I wish it was, but it's not so.

Looking at a similar example, a lot of guitar players think Oz Noy is an amazing technical guitar player, or Allan Holdsworth. Alas, usually when I go to such concerts the audience is counted in the tens.

[Cook]

Establish yourself as a DJ first, prove you know what your actually doing (in this case you dont, (you cant beatmatch can you, or you wouldnt be suprised)) Then, throw in the gimmicks

Learn your trade.

[jimbob5000]

Learn how to rock it the good 'ol fashioned way.. be versatile, be able to adapt... make the best with what your provided...don't stress about it.. just have fun!

This.
You don't have to like the fact that things are the way they are. I certainly don't. But If you want to be able to get on in the DJ business, you have to know how to handle your preferred controller AND vinyl/serato/traktor, CDJs, a couple of different mixers etc.. Hell, I've seen some guys turning up and seeing a DJM-600 for the first time, not knowing how to handle anything other than a basic 2-channel setup like they had it on their VCI.

Just use your own gear whenever you can, but if you can't, use your other skills and the provided gear. After all, as it's been stated so many times here, it's about the music, not the gear, right?

[ksandvik]

I used to beat match vinyl in the early eighties -- I must say it was a boring process, was more interested to keep the dancers dancing myself, thinking about the next track and so on...

For any new DJs, just get the dancers happy, that's what you should work on. Don't worry about these beat-matching threads that have always been around -- you should have seen all the whining when CDJs arrived. But work a lot with transitions and flow, that's the important part when DJing.

[jimbob5000]

But work a lot with transitions and flow, that's the important part when DJing.

Im pretty sure nobody on this forum doubts that. The point is, if you don't want to do that with anything other than your preferred gear, you can try to argue with the promoters, clubs, radio station lady or whoever about it and risk losing the gig - or just f*** that and go with their rules. Some people might prefer not to gig where their gear isn't welcome, others might wanna keep the job. Rather simple choice actually.