More respects using Turntables?

[jimbob5000]

Side question- what the hell is all this crap about not being allowed to use controllers. What kinda weird places do you guys go to?

Sadly, this also still happens in Germany. Especially in some of the bigger name mainstream clubs. When in doubt, have a CD wallet ready - and it helps to know how to handle those players.
At the smaller, more underground clubs, especially those that are already more open-minded on the genre side, you usually can bring whatever you want as long as you show up early enough to hook it up and at least check if there's enough space.

Back on topic, being prepared is basically what opens doors and brings respect. There have been occasions where bringing a tiny little Faderfox saved whole events, because some idiot had spilled beer into the turntables the evening before, the club owner had given away the CDJs to the other room and kinda forgot to tell about both of it. Or the festival sound guy thought it was a good idea to place the subs directly below and the monitors on top of the same table and right next to the turntables. In the end, it's not about the gear or medium, it's about how to handle and being prepared for as many possible scenarios as possible.

That's kinda what I think what earns you respect, at least in my experience. Judging by my own respect for other DJs, I kinda don't enjoy it too much either if some guy turns up at 1:30 a.m. with it's V7 and a crap-o-la mixer, kills the sound while replugging the whole booth right in the middle of someone else's set, destroys the sound because he doesn't know what those red LEDs on the mixer are supposed to be, then crashes Itch three times in 90 minutes and still thinks he did great. OR the vinyl guy that turns up, realizing that the ortofons are completely f***ed or stolen, and can't play at all 'cause he refuses to bring an emergency CD wallet, claiming anything else than vinyl is not "real".

Professionalism+versatility=>Respect. No matter what's your weapon of choice. At least in my book. Not that this matters for anyone here

[ksandvik]

I think this thread is now talking about something totally different -- see title. It is professional to be ready for any kind of environment, I totally agree. As for showing more respect if someone is using turntables, that's the debate. I think music is more important than equipment. But if I'm in a minority, that's fine.

[jimbob5000]

Yeah, things kinda derailed, as always when someone brings up the word "turntable" here (guilty as charged).
Still, I don't think that, for example, the radio station guy (or lady? can't remember) that the original poster mentioned, denied the S4 because he/she didn't respect it or the DJ using it. My guess is that he denied it because they had their own gear, which was working reliably in the context. Which is kinda critical at a radio station.

And I do think music is more important than equipment, and that you're not in the minority thinking that. I am on your side, and I'm pretty sure a lot of the people on DJTT are. I just think that, if it's music that matters, should the DJ care about on what gear he plays it? I mean, we controller guys tend to remind people that it's all about the music, using this to open doors for controllers. But if it's all about the music, why should we care if we can play it on an S4 or not? Just sayin'.

[R3dslap]

It shouldn't matter what you use. Everything has its own intricacies and I don't think a guy who shows up with a mixer and a pair of technics is any better than a guy who shows up with a pair of cdjs or a guy with his VCI-100.

Well it kinda does. DJing is a culture with associated values, like them or not, where TTs are at the top of an aesthetic hierarchy. I'd say turns are 100% more respected. If you've learned how to spin the one two's, it shows commitment to the culture.
Imo you loose a huge part of DJing if you dont have turns, you cant play vinyls (!!!) and therefore exclude yourself from A LOT of music. Plus you come of as unprepared. If you know the turns you come of as experienced and practiced. and thats the way it is

[zestoi]

Well it kinda does. DJing is a culture with associated values, like them or not, where TTs are at the top of an aesthetic hierarchy. I'd say turns are 100% more respected. If you've learned how to spin the one two's, it shows commitment to the culture.
Imo you loose a huge part of DJing if you dont have turns, you cant play vinyls (!!!) and therefore exclude yourself from A LOT of music. Plus you come of as unprepared. If you know the turns you come of as experienced and practiced. and thats the way it is

wow... this thread again much as i like turntables it's cdj's that are probably the current king in most clubs. imho dvs is trying to hold on to dying technology while using the new, tho will probably be the choice of scratch dj's for a long time to come - but thats only a fairly small % of all dj's.

personally i'd like to eventually have turntables (as dvs or just to play my old vinyls), cdj's and some midi controllers - mix and match.

not sure where you're coming from by saying "and therefore exclude yourself from A LOT of music" which is probably true of cdj's but not really with turntables.

[R3dslap]

well a lot of music from pre early 80s hasnt been re-issued on cd. I bought a record yesterday for example that only exists in vinyl and I found a dope bass line on it. Cant do that without turns
Also, personally, vinyl is where I find most new music. Suppose cds would do the same but imo its the same price for a thinner, shittier piece of plastic. Might as well buy/steal the mp3 ˆˆ
I know vinyl has broaden my musical palette. Its more a recommendation on my part to others. I hope it would do the same for others.
I use DVS w controller, imo a great hybrid

[Lew]

well a lot of music from pre early 80s hasnt been re-issued on cd. I bought a record yesterday for example that only exists in vinyl and I found a dope bass line on it. Cant do that without turns

You do realise that you can record vinyls onto a computer, right?

[R3dslap]

duh, Im doing that atm
you need a turntable to do that.....

[zestoi]

duh, Im doing that atm
you need a turntable to do that.....

sure - but thats just an argument for having a single turntable to convert vinyl to mp3 etc - not to do with dj'ing

don't get me wrong - i love turntables and vinyl - but its not the future of dj'ing and knowing your way intimately round cdj's will probably get you more respect than turntables as a pro dj.

ofc being able to use turntables+cdj's+controllers has to be the best of all worlds...

[R3dslap]

Seems silly to just get the one TT. But its not exactly cheap :-/