Ean Golden style jogwheel fx in native mode!!

[padi_04]

Soooo, started playing with this concept a bit while using the default map and FX mode. Think we'll need at least 11 modifiers.

First, we need to cancel the natural motion of the 3º control so we can then reassign it to our pleasure. This part isn't a big problem.

Now the fun begins

1) load button left
2) jog push left
3) load button right
4) jog push right
5) play/pause per deck (so this should take 2 spaces per side)
6) deck focus left
7) deck focus right
8) browse mode

Basically for one deck:
1=0 2=0 Native tempo bend mode
1=0 2=1 Scratch
1=1 2=0 Adds tempo bend while in FX mode (I keep forgetting to jump back to regular mode to bend)
1=1 2=1 FX activates only when in FX mode and platter is pushed.

Modifier 5. The FX should only engage if the deck is playing, this allows us to cue a song normally by moving the jogwheel or push+move, otherwise we can do this only with the outer rim.

Modifiers 6 and 7, the FX only acts when certain deck is in focus (A/C - B/D).

Modifier 8, disables the behavior to use the jogs while in browse mode, again you could ignore this if you use the outer rim.

Am I missing anything?

I control C and D with my X1, so I could scratch those out, and i don't mind scrubbing and browsing with the outer rim. In my case I could somehow make it work. Even if you did map it per deck you are still limited by the 2 mods per control. S4 only map? Forget it.

Summary of the nerd talk above:

[Yul]

I don't want to think about that anymore today ^^.
But from first look it miss shift in addition, copy mode, deck type (but frankly on that, the only way to do something is to work for a specific layout but the deck types still needs to be taken into account). What else? All between themselves, that's the fun part and some additonal modifier you'll need to keep track of specific states of your load button?
Well, no, no, no, don't want to think about it anymore.

Note that it can be done in two parts, left side, right side. It's easier to work upon, and then duplicate the other side, easier to see what you do.

Have a look at his thread/file, it's a light version of what I'm using (mainly it has less fx presets and only two units where i do use 4 - could be used for 4 fx units actually) but it's quite exactly what I implemented as a system. Big hole missing, the copy mode. If you can find a way to duplicate the copy mode, could be a good solution as I (think) I covered all the rest.

http://www.djtechtools.com/forum/sho...juggle+mode+s4

There's just a bit of a read , and the mist about the fx that needs to be reselected. I know some people used it without any fuss as long as you don't use the copy mode. Well whatever at least it can be interesting to have a look at it to see how and if I covered everything with the modifier system. I even covered the switch from midi mode (as funily enough, when you're in browse mode, if you switch to midi mode, when you revert back, you're not in browse mode anymore, but because you changed the type of messages sent, your mapping, didn't get the info). Or did I cover that? I don't remember. As said I don't want to think about that again, it was quite a headache and I prefer to wait for NI to come with a more opened approach to the native mapping.

[DaBeef]

Yul thanks for the heads up i was fully aware of the issues you describe but my intention was only to supply a basic mapping for any beginers wanting to have a go at achieving something similar to the vid. With respect Ean doesn't use the browser or switch decks etc. in the vid it was intended as a one off performance.

Having said that yes in a fully functional way the mapping doesn't work i get your points. My bad, i will rethink my post titles next time. I look forward to your creation

[Yul]

Yul thanks for the heads up i was fully aware of the issues you describe but my intention was only to supply a basic mapping for any beginers wanting to have a go at achieving something similar to the vid. With respect Ean doesn't use the browser or switch decks etc. in the vid it was intended as a one off performance.

in the latest video, of course, he is using a S2 so unless you had a look yourself at how the s2 works, you cant' tell how it functions, what to expect as far customizing a mapping goes.
And even if I respect the intention, providing something that doesn't work is no service at all (?).

Ok I think I don't understand you. Can we agree on that?

[Skotish]

Maybe I just haven't seen it - but didn't Ean say in his posting that he was going to provide the mapping he was using on the S2 in that YouTube vid showing how he was using the FX on the jogwheel(s)?

Wouldn't that solve the mystery? If I'm missing something, please let me know b/c I'm getting tired of looking.

[zestoi]

Maybe I just haven't seen it - but didn't Ean say in his posting that he was going to provide the mapping he was using on the S2 in that YouTube vid showing how he was using the FX on the jogwheel(s)?

Wouldn't that solve the mystery? If I'm missing something, please let me know b/c I'm getting tired of looking.

not sure if he'll release it or not but there's no real mystery to what he's doing i don't think. this thread was more about how to integrate it into the existing mapping i think. i.e: not trivial so as to not break other features.

as for people asking about this S2 type mapping for other controllers it's probably easiest just to do it yourself.

if i had bought an S2 from djtt tho i would probably have expected to have got that mapping with it?

[Skotish]

When someone comes up with a really close idea as to what the mapping really is - I would greatly appreciate knowing.

[gmaister22]

Thanks for sharing it man

[haze324]

I don't check out this forum much after I sold my S4.....BUT, I wanted to add.

I'm a big fan of Yul and the guy knows his shit when it comes to mappings and what can be done with the S4. Dude helped me and Bigbeatz out tons when we tried the super knob loop recorder tsi mapping.

I'd listen to his advice.