(Traktor: Multi Function Button) The working list of bad combos and workarounds

[zestoi]

@MiCL... It's all good. And to have a video of it more so! FWIW, as it's been around for a while, and because the manual describes 'invert' for hold and toggle correctly as active on button release, I'd suggest the bug is simply the absence of invert from the GUI: I don't think the actual behaviour of the function will change

yep all good research and info i reckon

plus most of the good info from the traktorbible site is only in the actual printed book itself i thought? personally i don't like printed manuals but i'd pay cash (just not as much as 30eur) for a softcopy. does it have that option?

[DJ MiCL]

Ah, I gotcha... probably... You have a CC or note pre-mapped in Traktor controller manager in Fader mode, so that you can send value changes from midimasher to select the effect. Did I get you right?

If in essence what you want is a button that changes the panel mode to single and then select Gater, you can do that with the inverted direct. But I know you couldn't have possibly missed that... so are you basically saying that "you, personally, since you have all the controls pre-mapped in a certain way will not benefit from the inverted direct"? That seems too obvious to be right.... Bare with me and elaborate when you have a spare moment!

[DJ MiCL]

Zestoi... I am slowly understanding what's going on... I think you've been saying the same thing all along. Sorry for taking time to understand, I should have familiarized myself with beatmasher and then would have probably communicated much better.

Anyway, you say your panel mode Single / FX select Gater doesn't work even with a delay right? Does it even work when you push the button for the second time? Could be that the Traktor mapping is damaged again, no?

[zestoi]

Ah, I gotcha... probably... You have a CC or note pre-mapped in Traktor controller manager in Fader mode, so that you can send value changes from midimasher to select the effect. Did I get you right?

yep - exactly

If in essence what you want is a button that changes the panel mode to single and then select Gater, you can do that with the inverted direct. But I know you couldn't have possibly missed that... so are you basically saying that "you, personally, since you have all the controls pre-mapped in a certain way will not benefit from the inverted direct"? That doesn't seem right.... Bare with me and elaborate when you have a spare moment!

yep, i said i a previous post that i could create heaps more mappings in traktor but it's not really practical. consider this example:

traktor.fx_control{ unit = 1, mode = "group", fx1 = "Gater", fx2 = "Reverb" }

traktor.fx_control{ unit = 2, mode = "group", fx1 = "Peak Filter", fx2 = "Beatmasher 2", fx3 = "Turntable FX" }

and u start to see why i'd need every combination of fx select and panel modes. that's a whole heap of controls to map in traktor instead of what i have right now. plus i'd still need the existing ones so someone could map a fader to change effects.

[DJ MiCL]

yep - exactly
and u start to see why i'd need every combination of fx select and panel modes. that's a whole heap of controls to map in traktor instead of what i have right now. plus i'd still need the existing ones so someone could map a fader to change effects.

Yes! I think I finally got you 100%

But consider this. In the end, it's all about getting everything we want on to our physical controller - you can agree to that, right?

So, if making a heap more is the only solution, perhaps it's time you start mapping away in that miserable tiny cumbersome Traktor widow, no?

[DJ MiCL]

That was stupid of me... What's practical is to use your all-round midimasher where it works best, and send midi directly to Traktor for special occasions you want to use the inverted direct...

[zestoi]

Zestoi... I am slowly understanding what's going on... I think you've been saying the same thing all along. Sorry for taking time to understand, I should have familiarized myself with beatmasher and then would have probably communicated much better.

Anyway, you say your panel mode Single / FX select Gater doesn't work even with a delay right? Does it even work when you push the button for the second time? Could be that the Traktor mapping is damaged again, no?

it didn't work when i tried the other day, i'll have to try again tho. i'm sure with some amount of delay and maybe also sending an off message for the panel mode command it has to work.

ofc it's only really a big deal if someone needs a panel to be changing modes often which isn't really all that common except when using some panels units for some instant effects type stuff.

for the post fader fx it seems neat to keep unit 1 in single mode. the only pain is that the instant grat tsi uses unit 1 in group mode, tho i'm not a great fan of that it's still quite fun sometimes

[zestoi]

That was stupid of me... What's practical is to use your all-round midimasher where it works best, and send midi directly to Traktor for special occasions you want to use the inverted direct...

or just live with the fact that u need to press the button twice to change panel mode and select the fx unless - not really a big deal - but i'd stiill like to solve ofc :d

it must work tho with some combination of delay+noteoff in there anyway. i will go back to looking at that sometime, esp once i have finished the queuing functionality in midimasher as atm any delays delay everything as it's running in a single thread. i'm adding in the option to send out a message with a delay, which will then get queue'd up and send out later.

[zestoi]

So, if making a heap more is the only solution, perhaps it's time you start mapping away in that miserable tiny cumbersome Traktor widow, no?

actually no

since there's 32 effects available and we can choose any 3 of them in any order that's a total of 29760 permutations per effects unit in group mode... so i'd be looking at having to add somewhere around 120,000 new mappings which i don't think is quite practical

[DJ MiCL]

actually no

since there's 32 effects available and we can choose any 3 of them in any order that's a total of 29760 permutations per effects unit in group mode... so i'd be looking at having to add somewhere around 120,000 new mappings which i don't think is quite practical

I never said practical

Mapping every single possibility to Traktor in order that you can do everything from beatmasher sort of defeats the purpose. Well maybe not, if NI supplies us with that .tsi

I emulated your set up, by the way, and it works fine so it's probably the delay time or damaged mapping. The messages sent to Traktor are identical to what you explained.