Anyone build a hackintosh for music related stuff?

[Karlos Santos]

Just FYI: while it is perfectly fine to build a hackintosh in many countries, it isn't in the US. US courts have repeatedly upheld apple's EULA which prohibits installing os x on non-apple hardware.

In fact, for that reason, most us-based forums prohibit discussion of hackintosh.

And that highlights the reason why all the Moderators have warned people that Hackintosh talk is bad news for DJTT.

Just musing about it is one thing but getting further into it simply means trouble for Ean and DJTT.

Everyone is well aware that Apple are quite happy to stick their foot down someones throat.

[mostapha]

Wow that site is exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

Damn there is so much crap I want to buy. Every time I try to save up for CDJ-2000s I always think of all the other things I could just buy instead or save my money. $3200 on CDJ 2ks, or spend half as much and get a whole bunch of more useful things.

I still need to put aside money for a hotel for ultra...

Yeah…I'm not going to make it down to Miami this spring, I don't think. Pity.

I'd have to get a job and take time off it and my existing job to do it.

And that highlights the reason why all the Moderators have warned people that Hackintosh talk is bad news for DJTT.

Just musing about it is one thing but getting further into it simply means trouble for Ean and DJTT.

Everyone is well aware that Apple are quite happy to stick their foot down someones throat.

Considering that Apple is essentially a hardware company and that–somehow–OS X is the only product they make that isn't easily replaceable with something as good or better(1), I can see them being bitches about that. Plus, Lion cost like $35 and so did SL. If they charged a reasonable price for their OS, it might make sense for them to alter their EULA and allow installs on compatible hardware.

As it is, I don't think that's going to happen. Oh well.

I do kinda wish they made a computer that went in a rack case.

[MiL0]

Not that I want to start an argument with the DJTT moderators, Apple or the US courts of law but if I was to discuss how to grow weed using hydroponics and UV lights on a forum, I wouldn't expect the DEA to shut said website down. What's being discussed is for 'educational' use only. What people do with said information in the privacy of their homes is their own business. As far as I'm aware it's not illegal to discuss how to grow weed. The EULA certainly isn't enforceable in UK criminal law so it's an even more ridiculous comparison.

It's just another thing that really irks me about how Apple does its business. The interesting thing is that until recently Apple has been a relatively small player in the PC market and so could get away with creating a EULA that prohibits installing its OS on non-Apple x86 hardware. But now Apple has got quite a sizeable share of the PC market, it's pretty strange how they don't attract the interest of the EU anti-competition / anti-trust departments much like Microsoft regularly does/did.

meh.

edit: I'm not debating whether or not we're breaking the EULA by the way. I'm saying that the EULA itself is of dubious legal merit.

edit2: and for the sake of not starting a big argument, I'm happy to abide by the DJTT forum rules and not discuss banned topics (if this is indeed a banned topic).

[tombruton69]

Its not true that it is illegal to install OSX on a non Apple machine. Infact they have never taken an individual to court. As another company might jump on it and rip that licence agreement to shreds.

The USA recognises the digital millennium copyright act which explicitly states people can modify any software they have for personal use. This means that patches for OSX are not illegal. The way they could of been created could of been illegal however there isn't any proof of that.

Hence y non of the hackintosh forums get any abuse off apple. more do the jail breaking sites. The reason these companies got fucked selling them was it was no longer deemed personal use.

So that would be like me buying traktor adding a few new features then selling it as toms amazing dj software. Not cool.

the open source licence agreement is different and that can kinda be done

[Toast]

The issue isn't installing or talking about installing OSX on a hackintosh or any computer.
The issue is selling something with OSX installed on it.

I think but i know nothing.

[Karlos Santos]

I have only one interest in this thread and that is whether Forum Admin wish to allow it.

I personally have no interest in the whys, and wherefores about doing, making, selling, licking, shagging a Hackintosh which is why i wont get involved in the conversation on legality... Im in this thread as a Moderator.

If Admin say yay or nay its up to them... thats the law.

Peas.

[Rukks]

I have only one interest in this thread and that is whether Forum Admin wish to allow it.

I personally have no interest in the whys, and wherefores about doing, making, selling, licking, shagging a Hackintosh which is why i wont get involved in the conversation on legality... Im in this thread as a Moderator.

If Admin say yay or nay its up to them... thats the law.

Peas.

From what I've read it is legal if you buy the OS...which you can do.

I'll stop posting about it if theres gonna be a legal issue but as an admin if you feel like poking around that site that I posted earlier you can find for sure if its illegal or legal, that site made me think it was all legal when I was in the process of messing about with it.

Edit: Ill dig around more but if apple really wanted to im sure they would have the main sites discussing hackintosh shut down aka hackintosh.com

[Rukks]

My needs are a little more specific, I do engineering/design work on the side and the software I use(Solidworks) is picky about what video cards it likes(pretty much the InVida quaddro series). Since I'd imagine that hackintosh drivers for those cards could be difficult to manage I'd essentially be looking at a dual video card setup. Pain in the ass? Yes. Possible? Who knows, not I right now...

Does solidworks run on OSX?

I've used it and i know quaddro is set up for it but honestly the quaddro cards are pretty pathetic these days, mainstream gaming cards are much more powerful for the price.

The cards recommended aka the 6870 is more powerful than the desktops for my school and those seem to run solidworks alright...really depends how intense the models are but at some point you are going to get alot of lag anyways, unless your running 8 cores and multiple cards which at that point you should just build two rigs...one specifically for CAD work.

[Toast]

Does solidworks run on OSX?

I've used it and i know quaddro is set up for it but honestly the quaddro cards are pretty pathetic these days, mainstream gaming cards are much more powerful for the price.

The cards recommended aka the 6870 is more powerful than the desktops for my school and those seem to run solidworks alright...really depends how intense the models are but at some point you are going to get alot of lag anyways, unless your running 8 cores and multiple cards which at that point you should just build two rigs...one specifically for CAD work.

solidworks doesn't work on OSX and i wouldn't build a hackintosh for it. build yourself a beast of a PC dedicated for solidworks if you're going to go that route.

[Afterhour Ali]

[EDIT] It's atleast against their EULA.

EULA of Mac OSX 10.7.2. (Lion) says:

2.I. The grants set forth in this License do not permit you to, and you
agree not to, install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or
to enable others to do so. Unless otherwise permitted by the terms of this License: (i) only
one user may use the Apple Software at a time, and (ii) you may not make the Apple
Software available over a network where it could be run or used by multiple computers at the
same time. You may not rent, lease, lend, sell, redistribute or sublicense the Apple Software.

Topic will be shutdown.

P.S. I've got two nicely working Hackintoshes which I can't use because of this legal stuff. You shouldn't use them in public. Apple may sue the shit out of you. It's not worth taking the risk even if the chance of getting caught is small.