Best needles for DVS and Vinyl?

**Santos10** · 04-20-2012, 12:45 PM

Thanks for all the input everyone I was looking at the Ortofone Concorde S ($200 for the pair) but went to a record store yesterday scoop up some new releases and a friend who works their was saying the needles really does matter when using real vinyl and he uses the Ortofone Nightclubs

My question is can I for example get the concordes and then when replacing the styli put on nightclubs?

and im gunna look at the needles everyone listed thanks

**TreTuna** · 04-20-2012, 06:08 PM

I've been using Ortofones for a long time, currently I use the Q-Bert series as they have a great output and most of the true vinyl DJing I do is scratching/turntablist stuff.

You can interchange the stylii between ortofons, but honestly, I wouldn't. Each stylii is different from the others and matched to it's cart, and they might not play nicely in the way you want.

**mostapha** · 04-23-2012, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms

djlotus - I think what people are trying to say is that it doesn't matter that much if you overweight your carts when using a DVS, as you can just buy another TC vinyl when it wears out

Except that it's crap. First, over-weighting carts increases the likelihood of skipping compared to using the right weight with halfway decent technique. Second, overweighting messes with the stereo signal, which the DVS needs to track the CV. Third, it also wears out your styli faster (and makes the more prone to braking) and those things are expensive.

There's no reason not to just use a half decent cart and set it up correctly.

Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms

djlotus - I think what people are trying to say is that it doesn't matter that much if you overweight your carts when using a DVS, as you can just buy another TC vinyl when it wears out, whereas is you wear your 'real' vinyl out like that, it might not be available again.

Originally Posted by Santos10

a friend who works their was saying the needles really does matter when using real vinyl and he uses the Ortofone Nightclubs

Of course it matters; that's what we've been saying. IMHO, Nightclubs are overpriced and sell based on the color and the name. But based on my limited experience, I don't think Ortofon makes a cart that sounds as good as the good shure ones.

**MaxOne** · 04-23-2012, 06:50 AM

For DVS, the "sound quality" of the cart is totally irrelevant as it is just "controlling" the audio file.

It's like the "sound quailty" of a jog wheel on the s4 or CDJ

I got Ortofon Digitracks which are supposedly "made" for control vinyl but i'm sure it's hype. Though they are great and seem loud and strong and vinyl sounds good thru em too.

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/ortof...red/250274-01/

**mostapha** · 04-23-2012, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by MaxOne

For DVS, the "sound quality" of the cart is totally irrelevant as it is just "controlling" the audio file.

It's like the "sound quailty" of a jog wheel on the s4 or CDJ

Wrong. It's still an audio signal. The threshold for usable is a lot lower, but it's still sound.

**MaxOne** · 04-23-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by mostapha

Wrong. It's still an audio signal. The threshold for usable is a lot lower, but it's still sound.

Im not wrong fella. I'm right.

What ever you're referring to is misleading.

As long as the DVS needle is sending a clean enough time code signal to the software then the software is simply communicating the audio file straight to the soundcard. The DVS is just telling the software where to play the song.

There's no difference in sound quality if I use DVS or just the X1 with the mixer because DVS is just about transport control of the audio file.

**sobi** · 04-23-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by djlotus

This isn't a vinyl VS controller debate and shouldn't be turned into one.

Might be just me, but I didn't see anything in this thread really pointing that way except your post. Forgive me if I'm missing something plenty of other people are seeing here.

Good thread either way. I'd think that Shure's would be great for DVS seeing how you don't have to worry about wearing out a track you might never find again, and they run loud. I could be wrong, but I see a louder signal being good for DVS as it's just a timecode signal. Logically, as long as it's not clipping, a loud signal is just going to communicate louder to the software, giving it a stronger signal.

**Santos10** · 04-23-2012, 03:54 PM

Out of these Ortofones which ones would you recommend? What are the differences?

- Ortofon DJ S Concorde

- Ortofon Elecktro Concorde

- Ortofon Pro Concorde

- Ortofon Concorde Pro