Slightly disappointing news about Traktor Remix Decks

[MrPopinjay]

You want something open, support FOSS. There is no alternative. Unfortunately, this software is hard to make work right on so many systems with so much hardware and no real open standards……so I don't think mixxx is anywhere near good enough to be considered a Traktor replacement.

Woo open source software \o/
xwax is the shit. If anyone here is using linux and are interested in a DVS I would certainly recommend it.

it's not yet - but doesn't mean it won't get there. mixxx has made big improvements recently and 1.11 will have point and click midi learning ableton style. the mixxx development team seem fairly open to new ideas.

I recently tried out mixxx again and I'm really impressed with how it's come along. I really want to get a controller, an asoundrc for my audio4DJ (still have no idea how they work) and minimal 4 deck skin for DJing without turntables.

[zestoi]

I recently tried out mixxx again and I'm really impressed with how it's come along. I really want to get a controller, an asoundrc for my audio4DJ (still have no idea how they work) and minimal 4 deck skin for DJing without turntables.

cool i've only been on the mixxx developers mailing list a couple of weeks and only really started getting into it a few days ago - but do intend trying to get more involved and help out with coding if i can. 1.11 is about to freeze ready for beta testing very soon for bug fixing - i'll be very interested to see what's in the roadmap for 1.12. key detection is also going in for those that care about that sort of thing. the point and click midi mapping in 1.11 is a big jump forwards but still needs scripting for even simple stuff like "shift states" but i'm sure that will improve as well.

[MrPopinjay]

I really wish they would stop features like that and focus more on polishing what they already have. Their beat gridding system needs more controls, they need a metronome, tag editing is still disabled, there's no 3+ deck skins and I feel it could be a little less taxing on your system.

[zestoi]

I really wish they would stop features like that and focus more on polishing what they already have. Their beat gridding system needs more controls, they need a metronome, tag editing is still disabled, there's no 3+ deck skins and I feel it could be a little less taxing on your system.

i agree re: the key detection but that was coded by a student as part of the "google summer of code" where students had to propose features they could add. plus it may help to arouse interest in mixxx from people that actually care about stuff like key detection (which isn't me btw)

good point re: metronome. at the moment you can move the track fwd/back and click to move the beatgrid to that point - similar to traktor i guess - but some controls to offer finer movement would be good. i need to dig through their bug/feature list and roadmap and see what's what. i'm not up to speed yet.

re: cpu usage... that one does seem to be true. it certainly uses more cpu than traktor - and that's without the new multi coloured waveforms that will be in the final 1.11. performance may well need some work...

[space monkey]

This isn't really a dig on anyone here because you know (or should know lol) that i respect you all. But hearing all the chirps regarding software locked to hardware in a forum dominated by "Mac is the only way to go...it just works" is...ironic?
I don't particularly like the direction NI is going because, well I have no clue what the end state is. It's confusing and concerns me that ultimately innovation in the controller market will get stifled. But from a business perspective, it's a really good call.

[zestoi]

This isn't really a dig on anyone here because you know (or should know lol) that i respect you all. But hearing all the chirps regarding software locked to hardware in a forum dominated by "Mac is the only way to go...it just works" is...ironic?

not really since it's very easy to build most open source apps on mac. u can grab the XCode compiler for free from the apps store and then use macports

[space monkey]

I'm not talking about OSS development. WHat I mean is software (i.e. OSX) designed to work with a very limited set of hardware packages. I see some similarities in the overall design of the Apple model to NI's direction. What essentially could be only a few iterations of updates before only NI hardware and it's proprietary, what's it called, "native language", works with Traktor.
Of course, going that route may be foolish but the real money is hardware. HUGE market compared to the sales of Traktor, VDJ, Serato, et al.

But at the end of the day they have expanded their market big time, made support easier, and can sit comfortable in their own ecosphere of users who have a software/hardware package "that just works".
EDIT:
forgot Serato was free.

[MrPopinjay]

Let's ditch everything, install linux and start a kickstarter for development of a series of open source controllers and hardware :P

[zestoi]

I'm not talking about OSS development. WHat I mean is software (i.e. OSX) designed to work with a very limited set of hardware packages. I see some similarities in the overall design of the Apple model to NI's direction. What essentially could be only a few iterations of updates before only NI hardware and it's proprietary, what's it called, "native language", works with Traktor.
Of course, going that route may be foolish but the real money is hardware. HUGE market compared to the sales of Traktor, VDJ, Serato, et al.

ah... ok - i missed that point then by a mile or three it does help towards the stability of OSX tho - not that linux has big issues in that department either mind u...

Let's ditch everything, install linux and start a kickstarter for development of a series of open source controllers and hardware :P

software anyway the main pull for me of OSX is traktor and ableton at the moment. i *do* run both of them on ubuntu using wine but i get too much latency. my linux laptop is a lot older tho - probably doesn't help. mixxx may well the the right man for the job if the right issues are concentrated on.

i'd still probably run OSX on my macbook... i do really like it... i also love the flexibility of linux tho.

[space monkey]

in response to MrPopinjay:
That may very well happen but the :P indicates you are well aware how that would turn out. With all the banter in here about club standards don't think NI would not like to be just that. Hardware, not software drives the club standard and there is a lot of pushing and shoving going on at the moment from all the big companies--in a very hot and rapidly developing market as well. NI has the attention of a bevy of young and eager talent. Pioneer has it to some degree but mostly in legacy. The vast majority of up and comers likely started on a software suite...who do you think has momentum at the moment?