How to create own flyers, what programs do i need?

[tombruton69]

You're actually missing the point. In relation to all of this you're really not making sense. If you could try an use your brain just a tiny bit you may be able to grasp the point that many people try and make when it comes to this topic. Don't worry, you're not the first one to try and revel against the community of people in the art industry. Anyone can try and be a graphic designer, sure, but there are those who are actually good at it and did not just pick up the trade and buy a $29.99 program. Further more, the only thing stopping you from being a dentist is the law in the residing country, which actually varies depending on where you are from (same with the tattoo thing). So there are places where any jackass can just purchase a hammer and nail to hang his dentist sign on the door and his practice is open... same goes for most anything.

Any company who wants a good design, advertisement, logo, etc. is not going to pay some schlep who picked up and decided to start whipping up some half assed designs. There are thousands of those clown out there. There are only certain companies/individuals who are known for talented design work. The problem with people like the original poster and yourself is you think it is ok to pay sh!t money for sh!t designs. In turn we get the terrible club flyers, the terrible logos, the terribly designed websites, and the list of sh!t goes on...

I actually agree with what you are saying, but your message to the OP is dont try that is the wrong message. Where as my message is do try but dont think its going to be easy and if you are serious on building a club night brand it could be a good idea on paying sombody to do it. This free's up the OP to focus on the music staffing venues. building up relationships with others in the local industry.

However your talent agency is an amature operation from what I can see, 1st off in the 11 years you have had your website you have never had a completed site.

The reason I learnt to do the basics on graphic design is competing in the web arena with people using cheap wysiwig tools saying they will do a website for 250 quid, if I factored in a graphic designer for smaller jobs id be looking at around 1 grand. I loose work that way on a job I can charge 500 quid for do it myself and get it done in a day. bigger jobs its feasible and the guy I use is awsome. however he isnt cheap but for me the biggest thing is standard of work and turnaround time.

[hola amigos]

i want something to do in the meantime of dj'ing. something that could be a useful skill that goes hand and hand with each other. were not trying to be the #1 graphic designer in the world. chill out esse.

[LanceBlaise]

I actually agree with what you are saying, but your message to the OP is dont try that is the wrong message. Where as my message is do try but dont think its going to be easy and if you are serious on building a club night brand it could be a good idea on paying sombody to do it. This free's up the OP to focus on the music staffing venues. building up relationships with others in the local industry.

However your talent agency is an amature operation from what I can see, 1st off in the 11 years you have had your website you have never had a completed site.

The reason I learnt to do the basics on graphic design is competing in the web arena with people using cheap wysiwig tools saying they will do a website for 250 quid, if I factored in a graphic designer for smaller jobs id be looking at around 1 grand. I loose work that way on a job I can charge 500 quid for do it myself and get it done in a day. bigger jobs its feasible and the guy I use is awsome. however he isnt cheap but for me the biggest thing is standard of work and turnaround time.

ummmm... I don't own a talent agency... what are you talking about? I am a producer & dj.

[guiltyblade]

lol yeah you know I only played at WMC. Whateves.... lol wtf.

[JasonBay]

ummmm... I don't own a talent agency... what are you talking about? I am a producer & dj.

Yeah, a bit confused on this one as well. What are you trying to get at Tom?

[tombruton69]

unknownworld.com

ah I misread its angel that you get booked though, they just seem like the worst book agents in the world. they have never had a completed site in the 11 years they have been running, and most there artists they are a secondary booking agent, so why wouldnt u just go directly to the main booking agent? I hope you dont pay them to represent you

[LanceBlaise]

unknownworld.com

ah I misread its angel that you get booked though, they just seem like the worst book agents in the world. they have never had a completed site in the 11 years they have been running, and most there artists they are a secondary booking agent, so why wouldnt u just go directly to the main booking agent? I hope you dont pay them to represent you

um.. well there are 2 divisions of the agency. There is the original Unknown World, which represents the Electronic acts and its not secondary. Then they just partnered up with someone who does more of the commercial/pop/hiphop side of things. That is something I am really not at all familiar with nor do I care to be, so I can't comment on it. But this is why their website has been undergoing an overhaul.. I didn't know you have been following this website for the last 11 years, oh that's right you haven't, or you would have known that this is not their first or final website... and this is the reason it is in an interim stage. You may notice the site has a lot of info on it already, there are just things being redeveloped, etc. Anyhow, they are a good agency, I have only been with them a short time, but have already had great results with them. I am guessing that you don;t really know how the whole agency thing works in the industry since you would even think that I would need to pay for an agent. See this whole music business thing in regards to getting booked works like this: An agency wants to pick you up because they see a value in someones talent. So they approach the artist, the artist works out a deal with the agency where as the agent goes out and negotiates the deals for the gigs as well as finds gigs, and makes a percentage off of the booking fee. Generally that percentage is 10-20% its all based off of the individual contract. If you are paying for an agent, well then that is just stupid...

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[tombruton69]

um.. well there are 2 divisions of the agency. There is the original Unknown World, which represents the Electronic acts and its not secondary. Then they just partnered up with someone who does more of the commercial/pop/hiphop side of things. That is something I am really not at all familiar with nor do I care to be, so I can't comment on it. But this is why their website has been undergoing an overhaul.. I didn't know you have been following this website for the last 11 years, oh that's right you haven't, or you would have known that this is not their first or final website... and this is the reason it is in an interim stage. You may notice the site has a lot of info on it already, there are just things being redeveloped, etc. Anyhow, they are a good agency, I have only been with them a short time, but have already had great results with them. I am guessing that you don;t really know how the whole agency thing works in the industry since you would even think that I would need to pay for an agent. See this whole music business thing in regards to getting booked works like this: An agency wants to pick you up because they see a value in someones talent. So they approach the artist, the artist works out a deal with the agency where as the agent goes out and negotiates the deals for the gigs as well as finds gigs, and makes a percentage off of the booking fee. Generally that percentage is 10-20% its all based off of the individual contract. If you are paying for an agent, well then that is just stupid...

Ive only really used agents for booking people from what I have seen on that side, from what I have seen alot of companies that look very much like unknownworld just go to the actual agents and act like a second middleman. lol its quite common in the UK for people who say they are agents charging people to be on there lists, there is actually one quite sucsessful company doing that there more for commercial club and bar djs not touring acts.

As far as there site goes I just looked though the digital archives, anybody can look at them there is a few public sites aswell like the wayback machine. The site has allways been a bit rubbish and has never showcased its artists well, links to the artists sites at least should be there

[hola amigos]

Heres what i created so far with playing around.

Link for more display, some reason photo bucket makes photos so damn small.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...borealish.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...eenaurora.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...dcreation.jpg/

Some color desaturation
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...rldestura.jpg/

My first logo.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/135/newlogos.jpg/
Thoughts are welcomed.