Pioneer is moving into the cheap controller category

[oliosky]

Bout a year ago I wanted a small back up controller (2 x 1200s & Pio 800 main set-up). Ended up getting getting a Numark Mixtrack Pro. Wish this was around then I was in the market for a cheap backup controller.

why? because it has pioneer written on it?

Thats the only reason this piece of shit is even getting a look in.

[Shishdisma]

why? because it has pioneer written on it?

Thats the only reason this piece of shit is even getting a look in.

Relax, you can stop bashing everything Pioneer now, you can finally afford one of their products.

I really enjoy seeing threads like these, if only to see all of the representatives of competing soft/hardware get all antsy about it, or for brand haters slamming it without even seeing as much as a thumbnail picture of it.

[awesomsir]

More like the Pioneer DDJ-NoGo for me...

[deevey]

Thats the only reason this piece of shit is even getting a look in.

Yeah Yeah ... you do know that the mixtrack feels like it was built from recycled transformer toy copies from china right, It also doesnt have VU meters, doesnt have customizable Deck LED's and costs a measly $50 less.

Here's the other thing ... NO-ONE HAS EVEN REVIEWED ONE YET!

Sorry for shouting, but this unit could feel like complete dog poo OR equally be the next best thing to a Rane 58. The fact is we just don't know and all the speculation of how shit and plastic the unit is wont change that fact.

Once its in the wild, go to town on how its the worst value in the entire DJ market, until then you might hold off on the bashing - exactly the same scenario as last week when the Aero was released, everyone started jumping on the wi-fi will not work bandwagon etc etc.. without waiting for a proper review or reading the manual to explain how it actually works if wifi drops.

If this unit had been made by Reloop, Dj-tech or someone else I doubt there would be the same hate towards the controller, sure a few comments on "looks pretty childish and expensive", but not the real "hate".

[funke]

Something about the way that the pitch faders extend down into the circular beveled edges around the jog wheels tells me that either the fader caps have some weird cut out for them to not interfere, or that this is just some early artist interpretation.

[oliosky]

Relax, you can stop bashing everything Pioneer now, you can finally afford one of their products.

I really enjoy seeing threads like these, if only to see all of the representatives of competing soft/hardware get all antsy about it, or for brand haters slamming it without even seeing as much as a thumbnail picture of it.

I'm super relaxed here, guy. I've owned pioneer DJ gear for longer than you've been tenting your pants over your collection of pioneer spec sheets. I still have my original DJM300s that I bought new not long after initial release.

Admit it, the only reason you have commented is because you feel the need to defend the precious Pioneer brand. You are quite the fanboy in shining armour.

[synthet1c]

@deevey It will be the same buttons, knobs and sliders as the ergo so It is pretty safe to judge the feel of the controller. If the parts change that's great but for $300 I doubt it, they may even downgrade the parts used.

The reason any hanpin products "reloop/stanton/djtech" wouldn't get the same bashing nowadays is they are made better and are still cheaper than pioneer. I personally don't like the wifi as I think they should have made the unit capable of sending HID through wifi so you could make easy changeovers on the new cdj's with the same technology when they are released... but again same parts as the ergo and ddj's. The main reason for the hate is pioneer is slapping any controller dj in the face when they could be setting the standard...

[shr3dder]

the ddj-t1/s1 both are around $1400AUS for that much coin you could almost get the cdj400 & djm400 bundle at $1600AUS "street price" what is hard to take is the bundle has higher quality components throughout and runs standalone with usb/cd or as a HID controller...

I paid $900 AUD for a T1 8 months ago...........with a road case.

You can get them nearly anywhere for about that much now.... $1400 was the launch price, it dropped from that as soon as the S4 did.

The T1 got way more shit then it should've, it's quite a solid controller, it's just too big in my opinion. Great for home use.



There is so much money in cheap controllers at the moment you can hardly blame Pioneer for making something like this. I work for a distributor of electronic products and we supply a lot of products to a very very large Australian electronics retailer... apparently they sell twice as many cheap Hercules type controllers as any other DJ product.

[deevey]

The main reason for the hate is pioneer is slapping any controller dj in the face when they could be setting the standard...

That much I understand, I just think on their part its very VERY good business practice to control the market with very occasional new product releases rather than a new one every 6 months, it gives a product bedding time, time to become standard - If I was a shareholder I'd be a very happy puppy indeed, less money on r&d, less money on tooling up manufacturing plants, more money for advertising/sponsorship and ensuring that Pioneers Brand stays at the top (As I mentioned in a post before, this is something I think Denon is lacking in).

Even as controller DJ's go. I know few that use controllers to their full potential but rather just using them as a cheaper option to CDJ's... most DJ's even seasoned ones rarely use insane amounts of effects, spin on four decks at a time and juggle 6 tracks in 30 seconds. I don't see a lack of function in this little box of tricks for your everyday DJ, only for the ones who need 100 hot cues, and every effect accessible at the same time.

I guess I just don't see $300 as an insane outlay for a starter controller, its not thousands of dollars, its sub $100 in the difference to similar spec from other companies and its by THE most well known pro DJ gear manufacturer. $300 is just insanely cheaper than a set of (any!) decks and mixer assuming you already have at least a 3-4 year old reasonably spec'd laptop, you are good to go. IMHO just seems petty to flame them over a release like this when there are others out there doing worse jobs (Hercules Air anyone ?).

I personally don't like the wifi as I think they should have made the unit capable of sending HID through wifi so you could make easy changeovers on the new cdj's with the same technology when they are released

I'm sure their endgame is much like Native Instruments, they don't WANT you using anyone else's software, but would get flamed if they didn't allow for it and so compromise (you can do it, but it wont be the same). They would, IMHO, prefer that you use their Rekordbox powered workflow and as a result you get the same features on the Aero and Whatever CDJ/router/new mixer they incorporate the Wi-fi function into - again I think this, while maybe seems "unfair" is a very smart business maneuver to ensure everyone uses their gear, their software, their upgrade path and makes it a pain in the ass to change to something else which would not be the club standard.

The main reason for the hate is pioneer is slapping any controller dj in the face when they could be setting the standard...

In fairness that quote could be equally said of Technics, who didn't make any innovations to their monopoly on industry standard DJ units for the best part of 20 years despite others in the industry making leaps and bounds and always playing the underdog (Vestax incorporated tons of improvements e.g. pitch bend, user replaceable faders/cables/target light), while technics greatest improvement was the removal of the center click

The fact is that its a business, a bloody lucrative one as well. If they were doing nothing right, no-one would buy their units, and while I dont think I'd be the market for one of these, if this landed in my christmas stocking I don't think I'd be telling the person who put it there "oh noooo you could have got the new Reloop which has 4 more knobs for the same money"

Anyhoo .. I'll let you argue amongst yourselves for a bit

[Nicky H]

Whatever the build quality, it's a toy aimed at people who don't dj but have seen " like, the huge explosion of edm"

I blame the USA