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    A maschine deck would be cool. The midifighter that is a step sequencer for the remix decks is pretty close, though. That would be fun to play with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImNoDJ View Post
    My opinion is that a DJ should be automating as little as possible, and playing live as much as possible, and the software should reflect that.
    This is not just DJing, it's one step forward towards controllerism. Pretty handy stuff.
    something like having a "third arm" or play live back to back with Traktor itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewe View Post
    Automated Midifighter 3D Traktor mapping anybody?

    That would be awesome for me mate if i had not sold mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewe View Post
    This is not just DJing, it's one step forward towards controllerism. Pretty handy stuff.
    something like having a "third arm" or play live back to back with Traktor itself
    Exacly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniboy View Post
    Exacly.
    Everything doesnt have to do everything.

    A workman will always choose the best, simplest tool for the job, not the multitool that does everything only just well enough.

    I feel a lot of people want all these DAW features in Traktor, because they are just too terrified to do any kind of live performance without every facet being automated, synced, timed and quantised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImNoDJ View Post
    I feel a lot of people want all these DAW features in Traktor, because they are just too terrified to do any kind of live performance without every facet being automated, synced, timed and quantised.
    Live can do that. As in, just press play and mime it, and technically the computer is "performing" everything. Clip Automations are really kinda cool as long as you don't push them too far.

    When I used to spin with it, what I'd do was cut trakcs into sections. For fairly normal trance (what I was spinning when I started), it'd often be just a few sections to make it possible to skip the breakdown and the big part of the anthem if I wanted to. Unmolested, the song would play straight through as tough it were on a record, but at any point, I could hit a button and change the clip that launched next.

    When I moved to more manipulatable music, there were more clips, but the idea was the same...it would play unmolested, or I could re-arrange things right up until the last sixteenth note or so (i ran pretty long latency). Meanwhile, there were drum machines and synths happening (hence the 512ish sample latency), effects that make Traktor's look like toys, and other stuff...all of it automated.

    it was honestly the most powerful thing I've used...by far. I'm kind of not sure why I quit doing it. And now with Vestax going out of business, if I find a VCM-600 for sale, I'll buy it just so I could do it again.

    The only reason I quit was that it took forever to prepare a set. Each new song I added to be able to play was like 30 minutes of work, and while I had it set up so I could get from any song to any other song, it just wasn't something I wanted to keep doing, and selling the stuff financed my TPro setup. If they'd ever released the Maven, I never would have quit.

    So, I get the draw. But....this was in like 2010 or 2011.

    Waiting for new features for software that isn't supposed to work like that seems counterproductive when something else has been able to do it for years.

    Now...on the Traktor front...I'm honestly not sure what else I'd want. If we're dreaming, I'd like it to accept plugins for better effects. Really, I want to be able to put effects on output busses, not even really requiring mapping. And something like the UA FW/TB add-on DSP cards would be kinda cool....probably not actually necessary, but kinda cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mostapha View Post
    Live can do that. As in, just press play and mime it, and technically the computer is "performing" everything. Clip Automations are really kinda cool as long as you don't push them too far.

    When I used to spin with it, what I'd do was cut trakcs into sections. For fairly normal trance (what I was spinning when I started), it'd often be just a few sections to make it possible to skip the breakdown and the big part of the anthem if I wanted to. Unmolested, the song would play straight through as tough it were on a record, but at any point, I could hit a button and change the clip that launched next.

    When I moved to more manipulatable music, there were more clips, but the idea was the same...it would play unmolested, or I could re-arrange things right up until the last sixteenth note or so (i ran pretty long latency). Meanwhile, there were drum machines and synths happening (hence the 512ish sample latency), effects that make Traktor's look like toys, and other stuff...all of it automated.

    it was honestly the most powerful thing I've used...by far. I'm kind of not sure why I quit doing it. And now with Vestax going out of business, if I find a VCM-600 for sale, I'll buy it just so I could do it again.

    The only reason I quit was that it took forever to prepare a set. Each new song I added to be able to play was like 30 minutes of work, and while I had it set up so I could get from any song to any other song, it just wasn't something I wanted to keep doing, and selling the stuff financed my TPro setup. If they'd ever released the Maven, I never would have quit.

    So, I get the draw. But....this was in like 2010 or 2011.

    Waiting for new features for software that isn't supposed to work like that seems counterproductive when something else has been able to do it for years.

    Now...on the Traktor front...I'm honestly not sure what else I'd want. If we're dreaming, I'd like it to accept plugins for better effects. Really, I want to be able to put effects on output busses, not even really requiring mapping. And something like the UA FW/TB add-on DSP cards would be kinda cool....probably not actually necessary, but kinda cool.
    i used to do LivePa with Live. I come from a musical background and the lack of any kind of performance tension using Live bored me. It felt like I was at work.

    I love the feel of using Traktor DVS totally manually, the fact that my skill is the only thing keeping the trainwreck from happening keeps me interested and involved in the mix.

    This is my argument for why DJ software should be focussed on performance, not production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImNoDJ View Post
    i used to do LivePa with Live. I come from a musical background and the lack of any kind of performance tension using Live bored me. It felt like I was at work.

    I love the feel of using Traktor DVS totally manually, the fact that my skill is the only thing keeping the trainwreck from happening keeps me interested and involved in the mix.

    This is my argument for why DJ software should be focussed on performance, not production.
    I don't see why not - this software is also used by super users who have mastered all the functions and techniques and want something new and interesting. Having production tools in a DJ toolkit can only get one performance better. At least that's what my mapping does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewe View Post
    I don't see why not - this software is also used by super users who have mastered all the functions and techniques and want something new and interesting. Having production tools in a DJ toolkit can only get one performance better. At least that's what my mapping does.
    I agree with you %100.

    But I much prefer NI to just provide the framework so the community can do this stuff, as you do with your awesomesauce mappings.

    I want NIs finite resource time to be spent making Traktor the perfect DJ software, not another generic sample player/sequencer with clip automation.

    Ive worked in IT all my life. Scope creep kills great products stone dead. Specialisation is king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImNoDJ View Post
    awesomesauce .
    If you just invented that play on words then it's best thing I've heard in ages.
    If it's already an internet 'thing' then I love and I wish I'd heard it before.

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