Prejudice against controllerists?!

[Segfault]

heh...

[mike_o]

I get this too. So much more satisfying, and I think it pisses those dinosaurs off more

one of the many joys of trying new things all the time

[joshrobbs]

F*ck em all Keep rocking out!

[DJ_Animus]

well just got off the phone with some one who is a big supporter of CDJ and he told me whatever can be done on MIDI can be done on CDJ's lol. Doesnt matter what I tell him, he says it can be done. How much of that is true? Can cue juggling be done on CDJ's for example? How much control of FX do CDJ users have?

[DJ_Animus]

@Pollux:

exactly! Controllerism should be about the ability to use the freedom we have been given by not having to worry about what used to be a chore.

Although Dvls is right, does it matter how we do it? As long as were rocking the crowd and they are entertained then we are doing the job we are being payed to do.

[BentoSan]

But isn't the point of DJing to entertain people? I mean, if I play two songs and the mix is perfect, beatmatched, sync'd or just blended, does it matter what medium I'm using?

Isn't the real judge of a DJ's talent how they control the crowd?

As a DJ your not only there to provide audible entertainment but also visual entertainment, otherwise they might as well just throw on a massive mix cd all night long where the mix is perfect - but they don't because the visual aspect of the DJ is also an important part of the atmosphere.

[Pollux#13]

Lets be honest, everyone likes to see a DJ showing a bit of skill.

People see DJ'ing as a skill, the main component being beatmatching. My grandad could probably throw a set together which is beatmatched. That is people's hang up with the gear. It makes it too easy. I think when people 'DJ' with their synced gear people don't respect it. It is only when they start being a 'controllerist', things start to change.

If I went to a club and a DJ was mixing back and forth with 2 tracks and stood around doing nothing for the time inbetween, in my opinion he isn't a good DJ.

These new developments in gear/software shouldn't be seen as a shortcut as the person using them will spend the saved time to do other tasks.

Without a doubt, using midi and software is alot easier and takes less skill. This is coming from somebody who has a digital, cd and vinyl setup.

the point of using synch is not to stand around and do nothing its to do other things like playying around with effects. juggling cues between more than two decks, activating loops from parts of tracks and juggling them and etc and etc...... yes we would start using synch at first but then everybody would realize ...hey with the synch button on you can do more on fly remixes with the synch button which u cant do on tts or cdjs. and thats where anybody would progres and learn tricks

[Pollux#13]

As a DJ your not only there to provide audible entertainment but also visual entertainment, otherwise they might as well just throw on a massive mix cd all night long where the mix is perfect - but they don't because the visual aspect of the DJ is also an important part of the atmosphere.

that is where all the tricks would come in to provide visual entertainment to the crowd. people would be wondering whats is this guy always presing and it causes sound changes to the tracks

[DvlsAdvct]

As a DJ your not only there to provide audible entertainment but also visual entertainment, otherwise they might as well just throw on a massive mix cd all night long where the mix is perfect - but they don't because the visual aspect of the DJ is also an important part of the atmosphere.

Hey, Animus can attest to my ability to rock out in the booth. I agree whole heartedly.

BUT, that's a different point. Different DJs serve different roles. Keep in mind that radio DJs, club DJs, bar DJs, strip club DJs, and performance based DJs are all DJs. We all serve different roles. Our techniques are all different and our objectives are different, but if the music doesn't work we have failed, no matter what role we are playing.

We are there to provide music first and foremost. A mix CD can't read a crowd and a mix CD can't improvise. The visual aspect can be important, and I'll be the first to admit that the DJ has a certain hold over the energy in the room that they can either build up or let fall, but still, no matter how hard I rock out if the music doesn't fit the night will suffer.

[DJ_Animus]

*recieves money from Dvls* YES HES AMAZING!!!

No in all seriousness, DVLS is in fact my favorite DJ in the goth/industrial scene. If it werent for my heavy involvement in the NY rave scene, I would go and support him more often. He has alot of fun in the booth, sometimes more than the people hes trying to entertain lol. That kind of energy leaks onto the dancefloor and encourages a good time.

Sometimes when Im doing a 4 deck mix, my routines are so complex (for me at least) that I cant always be providing a visual aspect, although my mentor has been encouraging me to exaggarate my movements and with practice I can actually look at the crowd while performing.