S4 - Traktor Pro 2 - Scamo's Effect Jogs Extreme [Version 5.0 Beta]- The Next Level

[Fedenico999]

hi scamo
I have one question, I saw that there is new update of tractor 2.1.3 but I work well with your mapping and I wanna be sure before to upgrade the software that your mapping work well also with the new version, have already try it?
thanks

[scamo]

Yes, it will work with 2.1.3.

scamo

[scamo]

Ok, I'd like some feedback to an idea I have on how to control decks C and D too, before I go on a mapping spree.

First of all, a fact of S4 life is you simply can't jump between decks and use Jog FX without doing the following every time you go between decks. You have to...

1. Press the Deck C or D buttons.
2. Press the load button to turn on the FX jogs

My idea is to use the other two gain encoders (with Shift) to also move the effects to Decks C and D (and turn them off on decks A and B).

So the work flow between let's say Deck A and C would be...

You have effect units 1 and 3 on Deck A then you

1. Press the Deck C button.
2. Press the load button to turn on the FX jogs (this also automatically puts you back to mode 1)
3. Turn the proper gain knob (with Shift) to put FX controls on that deck and select the FX mode

So my questions are:

Is that really too much "work" to switch decks? Or, does the idea sound feasable from a workflow perspective at all? I don't see how I can do it any other way to be honest.

Should I map the gain encoders to match the actual decks, meaning the Deck A gain encoder would move the effects units (turn them on) for Deck A and Deck C would be controlled by the Deck C gain encoder? Deck B and D gain encoders would be exactly the same. Or should the Deck C gain encoder control Deck A (as it is now) and the Deck A gain encoder control Deck C (needs to be mapped)?

scamo

[chicomodo]

If holding shift to switch effects, it wouldn't matter having the gain encoders matching with the decks. It would be a lil easier to manage, so it is a plus. But, if this requires a lot of work, It wouldn't matter to switch on the opposing decks.

The workflow is that one. I didn't see any problem with that. We already press a lot of buttons and knobs to add effects:

Group Mode
Button 1 - The effect button on the selected deck.
Button 2 - The button effect on effect panel.
Knob 1 - Dry/wet
Knob 2 - Effect knob

Single mode:
Button 1 - The effect button on the selected deck.
Button 2 - The "on" effect button.
Button 3 - Effect option 1
Button 4 - Effect option 2
Button 5 - Reset effect options
3 Knobs - Managing effects parameters.
1 Knob - Dry/Wet.

[scamo]

Hey, thanks! That does put my idea and its workflow into perspective and it ain't all that bad I guess.

I am pretty confident my idea for a 4 deck FX jogs control will work too and it won't be too much effort to reassign the current gain knobs and add the other two to control decks C and D. We are going to be getting a step closer to the next biggest wish for this mapping. 4 deck control.

However, there are two major issues that disappoint me with the FX Jogs functionality in Traktor using the S4 and my mapping and having 4 deck control.

1. You can't use FX jogs with sample decks. The load button to turn on the FX jogs doesn't work. That totally sucks.
2. You have to constantly press the FX jogs (the load button) back on, when you swap deck control between two track decks on the S4. This is one unnecessary step in the workflow. If I turned on FX jogs on one deck and come back to it, FX Jogs control should still be on.

I just tested a bit and with a 4 deck control in my mapping, point 2 would break it or rather, I'd need to take out the jump to mode one with the press of the load button, which isn't really a problem and something I'll have to do. Edit-/ Deleted the sentence about the set FX also working automatically. Nope, won't work as you still need to turn the proper gain knob to move the effect units to the related deck. Hmm... I wish I had a modifier extra....or wait....I have another idea.....

If I can get my mapping to work with 4 decks, I am going to humbly ask NI, if they can fix these two issues. I think, with version 2.5 and the new Mix Decks, resolving these issues would make my mapping very, very interesting.

scamo

[Bassfly]

I think, this culd be used in 2.5, becuse the Remix Decks should be full mapable to the FX Units. Only the Remix Decks itself are limited, without a F1 Controller.

[scamo]

Yeah, but the FX Jogs function doesn't work with 2.1.3 and the sample decks. So if that carries over to 2.5, then no one will be able to map the effects jogs to the sample decks, because when you switch to the sample deck on the S4, the jog automatically converts back to scratch mode. In other words, all you can do with the jogs and the sample decks is scratch. You can still work the normal effects on the sample decks, just not the Jog FX, which is pretty lame. I hope there isn't some technical barrier for this in Traktor, which means FX jogs will never happen with the sample decks.....

scamo

[The Mighty FV]

Before I install this will it work with the Midi Fighter IG mapping sir?

I ask as obviously when that mapping is on, the effects seem 'locked' into what they want - so will they change when the FX are activated on this?

[Bears'N'Backpacks]

Not sure if I am switching modes correctly.
When I activate the jog fx mode - the number 1 effect knob (# 6 according to picture in guide) is always on. I can activate 2, 3, and mode LEDS (7,8,9 on picture). But again, the at first effect knob is always on (hope i'm not just too stupid to read binary!). I also cannot get the LEDS to change by using Shift+Mode to change effect modes.

Could there be some carryover from the default mapping that I need to get rid of before I am able to use this properly?
I tried importing a few different times and was encountering the same issues.
Really liked what it was capable of! just not sure if I am getting the proper functionality out of it...

[Bears'N'Backpacks]

Probably also worth mentioning that the effects themselves aren't changing - just the parameters of them.