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    Quote Originally Posted by TCMuc View Post
    Or to put it somewhat different with the words of Mark Twain:

    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
    Awesome quote, have to remember that one
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    There is no such thing as Crap for the masses if you don't like it it just might be that what you like is Crap. because no one else likes it. As a DJ in local bars and clubs you need to play "crap"songs for the masses if you have even the smallest plans on making a living out of being a DJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj gullum View Post
    There is no such thing as Crap for the masses if you don't like it it just might be that what you like is Crap. because no one else likes it. As a DJ in local bars and clubs you need to play "crap"songs for the masses if you have even the smallest plans on making a living out of being a DJ.
    You've hit upon something there. I have no plans of making money out of the music I play, I play out of a love for the music. I make a little pocket money but that's not the point of it, the point is to get my idea of what dance music should be like out there, not to play just for the sake of playing or monetary reward.

    And to address the other point about stuff like Guetta, SHM not being objectively crap, if you can't see that they are you don't really get house music tbh, maybe your tastes will mature, maybe not, hell, I still know some guys 35+ who play hard house.

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    I really like where you were trying to go with this thread, but I don't think you're going to be able to get a clear cut answer of what defines "crap for the masses" and "good music". I think most people on this forum have a consensus on what style/feel of music goes in which category, and it's quite clear at the extremes, but near the transition it becomes subjective. The two are distinct on their own, but it's personal preference at which point something becomes to crap.
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    Hmmmm.... on the Avicii/ Flo Rida example. Avicii helped Flo Rida write "Good Feeling" and the sample of Etta James was used in a couple other productions some time earlier too. Google is my friend.

    And if you ask me, Etta James has a James Brown touch in her singing style and James' style was also taken a lot from Gospel. All very popular stuff at the time and I guess that was all crap too?

    What makes Avicii's music crappy? Or Flo Rida's? Because they sampled Etta Jame's singing from a different song and used it quite successfully for their own music? Because they are popular? Slap me for it, if you want to, but I don't think those songs are crap. I actually like both songs myself and consider them good dance tracks. They have an uplifting spirit, maybe because Etta is in them. Too bad she recently died.

    But let's get to some facts. Are Levels and Good Feeling musically poor songs? If so, why?

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    when it comes down to it in the end, its subjective....

    And to address the other point about stuff like Guetta, SHM not being objectively crap, if you can't see that they are you don't really get house music tbh, maybe your tastes will mature, maybe not, hell, I still know some guys 35+ who play hard house.
    But its not objectively crap, every single form of music from death metal to classical is subjective and always will be. I can give you a million reasons why I think (insert music genre here) is crap and someone else can give me a million reasons why its good, its subjective.

    There is a difference between what someone thinks is crap and what would be classified as "crap for the masses". For example, I don't particularly like most country music, I think its crap. Thats just my opinion. Does that mean that all country music is "crap for the masses"? Absolutely not because they are millions of people who love country music. Now think about someone who loves real downhome, heavey, shitting kicking, guitar twanging country. They love it, then they hear some pop country, that crossover between real country and pop, now to that person that loves the real country, that pop country is "crap for the masses" because its a watered down version of the real thing that is meant to appeal to a broader demographic of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj matt blaze View Post
    But its not objectively crap, every single form of music from death metal to classical is subjective and always will be. I can give you a million reasons why I think (insert music genre here) is crap and someone else can give me a million reasons why its good, its subjective.
    Sorry mate but that 'my ignorance is as valid as your knowledge' shit isn't going to fly. It is possible to critique art in an objective fashion, otherwise this:



    would be equal to this:



    and that's clearly not right, is it? You may like the dogs playing cards more but critically speaking, it is objectively a less important and more 'crap' picture. It's exactly the same with music. People might like some of this stuff and good for you if you do, but it's clearly crap objectively speaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by dj matt blaze View Post
    Now think about someone who loves real downhome, heavey, shitting kicking, guitar twanging country. They love it, then they hear some pop country, that crossover between real country and pop, now to that person that loves the real country, that pop country is "crap for the masses" because its a watered down version of the real thing that is meant to appeal to a broader demographic of people.
    Who know's he may be right, it may be crap, it may be good. As I've said before there's nothing wrong with being accessible and populist as long as what you're doing is good. Avicii (or however you spell it), SHM, Guetta, that's bad music. Somebody like Eric Prydz on the other hand, he does pretty good pop and still understands real dance music, Basement Jaxx have had huge success but I wouldn't lump them in with the crap. See what I mean?
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    I think the genre is messed up. As someone new into the scene I admit that I first thought stuff like Avicii and SWH were genuine House... Safe to say my view on house was that it's crap. Then I started digging a little deeper and I LOVE IT! Really I don't think the commercial dance tracks should be called house at all. Keep house for actual real house. Don't try to slam the genre on the commercial pop music. That is all.

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    Who know's he may be right, it may be crap, it may be good. As I've said before there's nothing wrong with being accessible and populist as long as what you're doing is good. Avicii (or however you spell it), SHM, Guetta, that's bad music. Somebody like Eric Prydz on the other hand, he does pretty good pop and still understands real dance music, Basement Jaxx have had huge success but I wouldn't lump them in with the crap. See what I mean?
    But who are you to say its bad? Who am I to say its good? You might thinks its crap, I might thinks its great, who are we to judge something to label it as definitely this or that, its a subjective opinion. Millions of people find Guetta, Avicii, pleasing to their ears, do they think its crap? Who is anyone to minimalize someone elses opinion as not qualified and to make their own opinion the law? I couldn't paint that picture of dogs playing poker to save my life, if i could I would think its awesome. Is it the sistine chapel, no, but Im quite sure somewhere in the world its hanging on a wall because someone thought it is a great piece of art. Who am I to say it isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
    who are we to judge
    There's the problem - you want to be part of a group ("we") but you disagree with those that you perceive as already being part of that group.

    "We" don't all have to agree on everything. The biggest shocker of all (brace yourselves...) is that we don't HAVE to have an opinion on anything. Just let it ride.
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